Why don't we flip this around? If you want to work on building the lower levels, then drop the price to play to match the division.

D1 - 12.95 per season
D2 - 8.95 per season
D3 - 4.95 per season

This let's the vets play consistently at a cheaper price point, without the need to have full rewards points. This also allows the new guys to learn the game on their way up to D1. It also creates an immediate lower price point to get people to try the game. (No need for FreeHD and the BS that comes with it)

Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 2/11/2010
Why don't we flip this around? If you want to work on building the lower levels, then drop the price to play to match the division.

D1 - 12.95 per season
D2 - 8.95 per season
D3 - 4.95 per season

This let's the vets play consistently at a cheaper price point, without the need to have full rewards points. This also allows the new guys to learn the game on their way up to D1. It also creates an immediate lower price point to get people to try the game. (No need for FreeHD and the BS that comes with it)

Doubt that would go down, it extremely incentivizes remaining at lower levels instead of paying for and playing the full D1 game.

Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 2/11/2010Why don't we flip this around? If you want to work on building the lower levels, then drop the price to play to match the division.

D1 - 12.95 per season
D2 - 8.95 per season
D3 - 4.95 per season

This let's the vets play consistently at a cheaper price point, without the need to have full rewards points. This also allows the new guys to learn the game on their way up to D1. It also creates an immediate lower price point to get people to try the game. (No need for FreeHD and the BS that comes with it)

Mlat I understand the thought, how can you reasonably do that tho? How can you purchase a 5 pack? you can't, you can't move up... It would be just too difficult to do it.

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Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 2/11/2010So you are essentially saying that D3 vets should pay less to teach new people? And saying this was implimented, would someone moniter their aid giving? Wouldn't designated moderators in each would work just as well at a lower cost

Does anybody else not understand how unrealistic it is to just lower the cost at different levels?

Agreed, there a lot of complications with it.

And the easy solution is to have full rewards points to help keep the vets in D2 / D3.

But in the end, WIS has chosen not to do that and the vets continue to leave those levels. The future impact is much larger than the vets seasonal payment.

What is the REAL cost?

Just some random math here:

Total Rewards Points Handed Out in 1 Season @ Full Value: 62200

There are 4 tiers of points @ D3 / D2. So assuming a perfect 25% breakdown: 38875

Points saved by reduction: 23325

That's just over 11 Free Seasons @ 2000 per.

So the question is, would WIS generate 11 or more additional coaches in D3 and D2 (each) if they had full rewards points?

To get the right answer, you'd have to factor in the number of dynasties and the higher retention rate of new coaches.

Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 2/11/2010What is the REAL cost?

Just some random math here:

Total Rewards Points Handed Out in 1 Season @ Full Value: 62200

There are 4 tiers of points @ D3 / D2. So assuming a perfect 25% breakdown: 38875

Points saved by reduction: 23325

That's just over 11 Free Seasons @ 2000 per.

So the question is, would WIS generate 11 or more additional coaches in D3 and D2 (each) if they had full rewards points?

To get the right answer, you'd have to factor in the number of dynasties and the higher retention rate of new coaches

to be brutally honest here, once new coaches realize that the major rewards are still going to go to the same coaches they go to now, they aren't going to have any more incentive to stay then they do now.

z, I'm agreeing with you here.

Quote: Originally posted by mrpolo09 on 2/11/2010

• Reinstate full reward points across the board
• Eliminate the "consolation" prize after a user has played 10 seasons
• Eliminate potential at DIII
• Eliminate the outside gift certificates

 


fixed

I don't see how that solves anything and how that will clearly increase the number of customers.

I agree with zhawks' point about how implementing a different price for each level would be unfeasible due to 5-packs and such.

So, I agree with Vandydave's suggestion: Don't tax reward points over time. Simply make them progressively larger at each level.

I think your getting screwed. I love how this game is called hoops dynasty...It should be called D1 Dynasty because the people in charge don't want you to build a dynasty at D2 and D3..

MrPolo. I agree.

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 2/11/2010to be brutally honest here, once new coaches realize that the major rewards are still going to go to the same coaches they go to now, they aren't going to have any more incentive to stay then they do now.z, I'm agreeing with you here.

So these new coaches will have a better chance to earn reward points vs all those years of experience and more difficult playing conditions you were mentioning at D I?

Quote: Originally posted by dacj501 on 2/11/2010

Quote: Originally posted by doomey on 2/11/2010to be brutally honest here, once new coaches realize that the major rewards are still going to go to the same coaches they go to now, they aren't going to have any more incentive to stay then they do now.z, I'm agreeing with you here.

So these new coaches will have a better chance to earn reward points vs all those years of experience and more difficult playing conditions you were mentioning at D I?

the purpose is not to earn reward points (they're a bonus). the purpose is to enjoy the game and become a "long term customer".

Thats very difficult with new coaches completely surrounded by simai. Imagine if we all started under these conditions. I probably would not be around. Probably for certain if i did not stumble across the main forum.

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Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 2/10/2010
I, on the other hand, have no problem with it. The whole point of the game is to create a D1 dynasty and having empty or near-empty D1 conferences is contrary to that goal, IMHO.

I have 8 teams, all at DII and DIII. The RL coaches I most admire are those that have spent their entire careers in the lower divisions, often at the same school. 'Big House' Gaines at Winston-Salem St. and Don Meyer at Lipscomb and Northern St. come to mind.

It's never been my intention to be a DI coach. I rather enjoy DII and DIII and have just finished my 40th season with my first team, Transylvania (DIII Iba)