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Prove that MLB fielding coaches are distributed on a bell curve or that most things in life are distributed on a bell curve? Because one is difficult and one isn't too difficult.
How to correlate MLB fielding coaches to HBD ratings is a game I don't have the time to get into.

My biggest assumption is that the distribution follows a bell curve.
2/10/2010 5:39 PM
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Prove that MLB fielding instructors follow a bell curve.

I'll say you can't because they don't have little numbers next to their names.
2/10/2010 5:45 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by spudpicker on 2/10/2010
At least in this thread there's 2 points being made which have been made many times before and would've been better to update...1. Stop letting FI coaches become a BC for less money.2. Stop letting FI coaches re-sign for less than they got the previous season.I'm not even sure how we can argue about what this update does (other than add more FI coaches) without seeing it in action first.

Bingo. I think FI coaches have a much higher perceived value than Admin anticipated, but the restrictions they place on the market (job/level/salary demands) don't reflect this.
2/10/2010 5:47 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/10/2010Prove that MLB fielding instructors follow a bell curve.I'll say you can't because they don't have little numbers next to their names. 

And I'll agree 100%.

I'm making an assumption that HBD FI aren't supposed to be random and in fact should be closer to a bell curve. Everything in this game is run on statistics and bell curves and standard deviations, so I think it is reasonable to assume the creation of coaches would be too.
2/10/2010 6:14 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by toddcommish on 2/10/2010I'm just curious.  Does anyone know the fielding coach for their favorite team, or if they even have one?Maybe we should just DUMP the position.
I couldn't find anyone on baseball-reference that was called a fielding coach, so maybe your statement is more realistic than one would think

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/List_of_current_Major_League_Baseball_coaching_staffs
2/10/2010 6:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/10/2010I'm not concerned with the sky. I want you to prove that MLB fielding instructors are distributed on a bell curve. You made the statement. Prove it


I never made a claim as to the actual distribution of ML Fielding Coaches. I merely observed (A) that most things in life are distributed on a bell curve (which is why it is sometimes referred to as a "Standard Distribution"), and (B) Your claim that "one could argue that ML FI are not distributed on a bell curve" (paraphrasing) is both indisputably true (one could argue anything) and rather weak (are you openly suggesting that ML FI are NOT distributed on a bell curve? Or merely noting that one could argue such a thing?).

At the end of the day, Mike, what you don't like is whiners getting their way, and you're not interested in the merits of any debate as to what distribution FI should fall on. And there is merit to slapping whiners down... However it doesn't mean that absolutely any distribution of FI will render the gameplay equally functional...
2/10/2010 6:26 PM
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At the end of the day, I don't really CARE what WifS does with FI. I'll play the game the way it's presented until I decide I don't like the way it's presented. However, there has been much "The sky is falling" about FI for a couple of years. WifS finally gave in. Just like they have with "Too many homers!!!", "Too few homers!!!", "Pitcher fatigue is unmanageable!!!", "Too many errors!!!" and any number other things that a very vocal few have whined about.

And, if you're not an alias, you wouldn't know that every attempt to pacify the whiners has had unintended effects. This one will too. Coach hiring will become pointless because everyone will get a top FI. That was the last position that mattered. If you don't believe that to be true, check your worlds and let me know how many HC/PC over 80 are unemployed.
2/10/2010 6:47 PM
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Sweet mercy. Anything with a rating over 50 is, by definition, better than average. If the argument is that we should add more fielding coaches so that everyone has a fielding coach rated over 50, then we clearly don't understand the definition of average.

Pay attention to the coaches other ratings, search in areas other than the one you think they should be in (for example, unhired third base coaches are often better candidates for first base coach than the first base coach candidates themselves), and everything will work out fine. And, if having an 80+ rated fielding coach is that important to you, budget $20 million for coach hiring.

Or, complain about it until WIS dumbs it down yet again.
2/10/2010 6:48 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by examinerebb on 2/10/2010Sweet mercy.  Anything with a rating over 50 is, by definition, better than average.  If the argument is that we should add more fielding coaches so that everyone has a fielding coach rated over 50, then we clearly don't understand the definition of average.Pay attention to the coaches other ratings, search in areas other than the one you think they should be in (for example, unhired third base coaches are often better candidates for first base coach than the first base coach candidates themselves), and everything will work out fine.  And, if having an 80+ rated fielding coach is that important to you, budget $20 million for coach hiring.Or, complain about it until WIS dumbs it down yet again.

does that mean half the teams should have a coach that hurts them? Assuming a rating below 50 will hurt - which I've heard both ways.
2/10/2010 6:52 PM
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Does your world not have at least 32 coaches with FI over 50?
2/10/2010 6:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By examinerebb on 2/10/2010
Pay attention to the coaches other rating
2/10/2010 6:54 PM
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Just because someone knows a lot about something (the primary rating), that doesn't necessarily mean he has the ability to teach it (the other ratings).

Conversely, someone who doesn't know all that much could still teach everything he knows in the span of a season.
2/10/2010 6:56 PM
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Also, remember that you're building a coaching staff. These coaches don't exist in a vacuum.
2/10/2010 7:01 PM
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Sounds like people are whining because WIS added fielding coaches.
2/10/2010 8:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 2/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/10/2010

One could argue that MLB has no bell curve for fielding coaches.

Nonetheless, now that WifS has let the whiners wield the "fix it so it's how we like it" club again. coach hiring will again be meaningless. The only coach worth bidding for was the FI. Now that everyone should get a good one, why bid?

Overhaul the entire coach/coach hiring engine. New thread time!




One could argue that the sky is made of pizza if one wanted to. It doesn't make it true. Most things in real life are distributed on something close to a bell curve.
If it is Nirch's pizza, I will accept your premise. However, if it is Pizza Hut, absolutely not. It gives me the runs!
2/10/2010 8:50 PM
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