Quote: Originally Posted By Rails on 5/21/2010
The way HD is written, the FCP traps the ball at every opportunity, not just at the baseline or with certain players--all the time.

Especially on the perimeter, there is virtually no way that would work. I'm not going to argue about EVERY shot, but the vast, vast majority of the time it should yield an open shot or force a TO.

To simplify, imagine a 2 on 2 game. There is virtually no way that the ball will be guarded successfully by both defenders for if they try, it wouldn't be hard to find the guy that's unguarded. A player can pass faster than they can run. A passed ball travels faster than a defender can run. And that doesn't even factor fatigue.

More complex imagine a 3-3 game or a 4-4 and finally a 5-5 game where the defensive principle is the same. There will always be one guy open. Always.

The trap becomes almost like a game of Monkey in the Middle or Hotbox. There will always be an open guy if spaced properly and anticipation or cheatinig not withstanding, the ball will virtually always travel faster than someone running.

Without superior speed, it'd be like trying to cover a wideout with bump and run man coverage without being able to bump (foul). An equally quick player will blow right by the defender.



Agree with this 100%. I think this sums it up pretty well Rails. Well stated.

But, the big question is, when are you coming back? You know I have a winning record against you all-time in Tark and I'm quite sure that not many people can make that claim. Don't you want to come back and even the score? Doesn't it bug you, even just a little? By the way, this is me trying to trash talk you into coming back (and trying to do it within the confines of WIS policy. Otherwise there would be a LOT more cursing happening, but I don't feel like getting banned from the forums right now). We need you back in D2 Tark Rails, if for no other reason than to stop the SIU,E dynasty. I'm pretty sure that I'm tied all-time with Coach Billy_G as far as head-to-head records go, but when it comes tournament time, that guy switches gears and becomes nearly impossible to beat, kind of like what West Chester used to do. Come on back, it would be awesome to have one of the best all-time coaches to compete with again! :^)

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/21/2010
Colonels, you are, without question, the worst forum poster ever. You just argue for arguement's sake. Honestly, you make diablo look like ... i dunno ... dalter (no offense, dalter).



cheez, I had to read that like five times before officially realizing that it was a complement and not a ridiculously enormous putdown. Thanks ... I think.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/21/2010

Colonels, you are, without question, the worst forum poster ever. You just argue for arguement's sake. Honestly, you make diablo look like ... i dunno ... dalter (no offense, dalter).




cheez, I had to read that like five times before officially realizing that it was a complement and not a ridiculously enormous putdown. Thanks ... I think.

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/21/2010
I have no problems calling a spade a spade. Watch this: "You're an *** of epic proportions." To me, this is almost/practically a compliment lol.

I'm fairly comfortable that I know how life works. I know enough to know that being a complete douche 24/7 only works on the internet where you're protected by anonymity. I also know that people who, like you, complain non-stop and post really long diatribes on every issue - large or small - are generally miserable at heart and just want everyone else to feel their misery. If you met me in person, you'd probably be shocked at how unonline-like I really am...I think there may be an instance or two where you might see how/why I am the way I am, but nowhere near the degree you see on here. I'm really rather tame and err away from confrontation as opposed to embracing it. The internet is a beautiful thing because everyone can share their opinions completely and without interruption/someone talking louder to shut them up, and whether opinions are good or not, its good to get them ALL out there in complete clarity. And you know what, no my life isn't perfect right now, but I'm trying to work through it, I don't have any "vice" issues, but its just been a bit of a rough stretch. With that said, I'm not trying to make people "feel my pain" or walk in my shoes, that's just ridiculous, non-sensical and selfish, and far be it from me to prevent people from their own happiness. I just thought I'd state this because that summation of yours is completely false...I'm not trying to ruin ANYONE's experience here, HD is easily the best CBB game out there period, however I'm not just going to let things slide because they're "working on it either". The things I care more about are the things that I tend to voice my opinion more about. I hold people to the standards that I hold of myself, and if that's wrong then I'm wrong, so be it. There are a fair share of things that I haven't griped about in the game, again I know its hard to believe, but just saying if you think I fly off the handle at the least little thing, I'd argue that you're incorrect.

If you posted smart, funny, or thought-provoking stuff that was "controversial" it would be great. I do. Being an *** in every thread you show up in isn't controversial, its just a constant buzzing sound. If being an *** is the cost of posting things that may/may not eventually help the game, then I'm willing to pay that price. I'm aware of peoples' perception of me here, I've basically come to terms with it and I deal with it accordingly. This is one guy you can't scare away with the "nobody likes you" mantra, because quite frankly, I don't really care. I have respect for everyone on this site and don't hate anyone, but that doesn't mean that all I'll have to say are good things either. If the game was unbearable, I wouldn't be playing it, and I would like to think that if I was being unfair and detrimental to the game, that seble would come in and delete my posts as he sees fit, or at least denounce me and what I'm doing. Part of me thinks that he let's it go because in the end it makes him look better (he thinks) but that's unfounded, borderline CT stuff out of me lol. Stop trying to brand yourself. I am branded...look at the "here we go again" reaction every time I post. I have no problem with it. You're just an unhappy person with a serious case of internet ego. In all honesty, I'm not unhappy...I'm rather content with who I am mentally and spiritually, but I do have my own unique way of dealing with people/things on these boards. It didn't have to be like this, but like I said, whether everyone loved or hated me on these boards, I would still be here. Take care.

Quote: Originally Posted By joehuskie84 on 5/21/2010#1 been on here since 02 qnd have never been asked to be a beta.
appreciate that one. #2 i want either #1 a refund or #2 an option to buy the 10 season pass for 50 bucks. where is the customer loyalty? friggin seble gets paid to do this. i want some customer satisfaction. i want 50% off my next season purchase and i want it now.

and a free XXL t shirt

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/21/2010

Colonels, you are, without question, the worst forum poster ever. You just argue for arguement's sake. Honestly, you make diablo look like ... i dunno ... dalter (no offense, dalter).




cheez, I had to read that like five times before officially realizing that it was a complement and not a ridiculously enormous putdown. Thanks ... I think.

About the biggest complement I could think of, actually...and this despite you being the most shameless poacher in the game of stud PFs from the state of Minnesota

Quote: Originally posted by mullycj on 5/21/2010A couiple of points1) There was a small minoriy of us who also hated the new PBP.  To me its almost painfull to read through each possession.  But this was Sebles call2) Very little time (IMO) was spent on the game engine.  Much of our time was spent on recruit generation.  To ME, the scary thing is after being in BETA I still have no feeling of how good/bad the actual mechanics of this engine is. Too much time was spent cleaning up obvious errors.3) Even more scarier - some of the bizarre play that showed up in the exhibitions was not an issue with the last beta runs.  So what happened there 

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/21/2010
I'm going with painkillers.

But seriously, he occasionally has a valid point, but when you come across like an abrasive, ridiculous stubborn jerk, it's not surprising that the message gets lost. That said, he's not asking anything here that numerous other people aren't.

On to more important things:

I'm not ready to write off the rollout as a "bust", dcy. I think that is wildly premature. I think there are clearly some good improvements, and clearly some issues that need to be resolved. Should they have ideally been resolved before the initial rollout? Absolutely.

But that doesn't mean all is lost. When they first rolled out potential it was a total disaster. But then they made some different tweaks at various points, and there is no doubt in my mind that the finished product was a clear improvement over the old system.

One thing I will say for seble that was never true of Tarek is that he will truly listen to us, and that is a positive. There is a long way to go, and I'm not sure what the end result will be. But we've waited this long, let's at least give things a chance to play out and see how it looks a month or two from now.



I agree, it was premature and I was in a bit of a bad mood yesterday, so to call it a "bust" probably wasn't the right word to use.

What ****** me off, and you've seen this many times yourself, is when WIS rolls out these "grand, badass improvements" to the game and then they never work properly. As I said before, I'm getting a little tired of having to pay to be their Beta Tester.

I know there will be small bugs to fix on updates, but I can't remember one change that was made, big OR small, that we knew about, that wasn't messed up when it was implemented. Not one. For a company that expects their customers to pay for their product, that just isn't right. Not to mention how many small changes that were made behind the scenes that didn't work that were eventually sniffed out by you (mostly) and a few other coaches. TK would never admit that you guys were right (and why would he, it was his baby and he would never admit that his baby was screwed up. That used to be a HUGE problem), but we all know that he went back behind the scenes and fixed the errors that you found. I'll give Seble all the credit in the world, he's much more open and willing to communicate with us than Tarek ever was and that is a great thing.

I'm not a computer programmer by trade, but I know that some people are and they've explained to us that in all major updates there will be bugs. I can understand and respect that. But what was released to us didn't just have bugs in it, it had an infestation, monster frickin' insects, if you will. Should have NEVER been rolled out when it was.

Just my two cents.......