Spring Training Improvement Topic

plague
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He actually had 2 injury improvements while never being removed from the DL.
5/20/2010 8:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By goosegoslin on 5/20/2010Mark Teixeira is hitting .213 with 7 HR in 184 PA so far this year.

Setting aside the possibility that he's playing through an injury, since that can't happen in HBD, are you ready to bench him, or are you going to stick with his ratings and keep playing him


Irrelevant. He's being paid real dollars. Managers don't bench guys who are making 20m a year unless there's something physically wrong with them. GMs, owners, fans won't tolerate it.

I pay $24.95 for 87 days of internet game. How much fake money I pay a fake player doesn't decide his playing time.

In the real world, you'd be fired for saying "I've been collecting draft picks for 5 seasons." Are you sure you want to apply real world to HBD?
5/20/2010 8:16 PM
MikeT23
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Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 5/20/2010He actually had 2 injury improvements while never being removed from the DL.


I've seen that before with skill ratings. Just not physical ones.
5/20/2010 8:17 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by goosegoslin on 5/20/2010Mark Teixeira is hitting .213 with 7 HR in 184 PA so far this year.

Setting aside the possibility that he's playing through an injury, since that can't happen in HBD, are you ready to bench him, or are you going to stick with his ratings and keep playing him?

Really? That's all you got?
5/20/2010 8:18 PM
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How many examples of small sample size stats would you like to see? What do you 'have' besides insults?

Someone please feed the troll . . . he seems hungry.
5/20/2010 8:20 PM
MikeT23
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I'd like to stick to HBD examples for the reasons I listed. You'd also be fired, from pretty much any job in the real world, for saying "I got lazy" when explaining your poor performance.
5/20/2010 8:31 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By goosegoslin on 5/20/2010Mark Teixeira is hitting .213 with 7 HR in 184 PA so far this year.

Setting aside the possibility that he's playing through an injury, since that can't happen in HBD, are you ready to bench him, or are you going to stick with his ratings and keep playing him?Irrelevant.  He's being paid real dollars.   Managers don't bench guys who are making 20m a year unless there's something physically wrong with them. GMs, owners, fans won't tolerate it.I pay $24.95 for 87 days of internet game.  How much fake money I pay a fake player doesn't decide his playing time.In the real world, you'd be fired for saying "I've been collecting draft picks for 5 seasons."   Are you sure you want to apply real world to HBD?


Forgetting salary, would you bench him in HBD? Is that a big enough sample to sit your big bopper with the monster ratings because he isn't producing? Just asking a question, not saying there's a right or wrong answer.
5/20/2010 8:31 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2010I'd like to stick to HBD examples for the reasons I listed.  You'd also be fired, from pretty much any job in the real world, for saying "I got lazy" when explaining your poor performance.

This isn't a real job. It's something I pay $24.95 for 87 days of internet game. How much effort I put into a fake job doesn't decide whether or not I get to keep the 'job'.

And I don't even pay the $24.95, I used rewards points from hoops (back when that was allowed) as well as credits from my world series trips to pay for my seasons.

And my performance hasn't been poor. I've picked up a few studs and should have a pretty competitive team going forward. I just did it the lazy way (sucking for a little while) instead of trying to stay competitive while I rebuilt.
5/20/2010 8:35 PM
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Depends on what I have on the bench.

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2043726

3.9m of RP spent most of the season in AAA because he produced 8.26 ERA of suck in 28 innings in ML.
5/20/2010 8:37 PM
MikeT23
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You missed my point. Decisions made in the real world, like benching Tex, don't apply in HBD because, as I stated(and you repeated), you pay to play the game. So you can say "I got lazy" and play another season. Joe Girardi can't. Just like you can bench your 20m slugger when Girardi can't.

I wasn't criticizing your performance. I was noting that the example you provided was BS. Don't be so defensive.
5/20/2010 8:39 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2010By the way, saint, with three seasons experience, I'm not sure you're even qualifed to determine what is/isn't meaningful.  Not being hateful but I don't think that's enough experience to say "Yeah, I know it all."   Unless, of course, you're an alias.

I'm not an alias, and you must have missed the part where I pointed out that I'm still new to HBD. I'm not new to statistics, though.
5/20/2010 9:13 PM
MikeT23
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Fair enough.

50 AB is 1/10th of a season. If you don't think 1/10th of a season is meaningful, throw your first 16 games next season. In order to reach .500, you'll have to play .555 ball the rest of the way. If you want a legit shot at the playoffs, you'll need to play .600 ball to finish out the season.

So, do you still believe 1/10th of a season is meaningless? Because, quite frankly, small sample size or not, we only get 162 opportunities to win enough games to make the playoffs. It seems you're willng to cut that down to 146 opportunities.
5/20/2010 9:25 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 5/20/2010So, do you still believe 1/10th of a season is meaningless?  

For purposes of determining which out of a series of substantially similar sets of ratings are superior, yes, 1/10 of a season is not statistically significant.

I'm responding specifically to your idea that spring training stats are in any way meaningful. Any extrapolation outside that context is invalid.
5/20/2010 9:37 PM
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Can you be in my league too?
5/20/2010 10:25 PM
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Fair enough.

At what point do you say "This isn't working. Maybe, despite my superior knowledge of statistics and complete understanding of HBD ratings, I need to re-examine what I'm doing"? 100 AB? 200 AB? 300 AB? A full season? 2 seasons? 5 seasons?

Regardless of your answer, I'm going to tell you failure to adjust equates to failure. We play this game in 162 game increments. That's the constant. The longer you wait to adjust, the closer you are to failure.

Personally, I'm willing to give an overperforming player more playing time based on 50 AB. Because that's 1/10th of a season. I'm a little slower to pull the plug on an underperforming player with good ratings but I will do it. I usually do a full team re-evaluation around game 40. Underperformers play less at that point.
5/21/2010 6:27 AM
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