Worst disaster that never happened! Topic


9/10/2010 7:03 PM
I wouldnt call enviromentalist wacos retards.

1 I choose not to use that phrase at the request of Sarah Palin
2 I think they really have not been shown the reality of life. Most have led sheltered lifes. It is much easier to never hear a conservative voice then never hear a liberal voice.
9/12/2010 6:46 PM
Posted by raucous on 8/7/2010 7:27:00 PM (view original):

Oh, so all of that was just natural gas... 

BS.  It is at the bottom and middle. 

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/oil-bp-spill-found-bottom-gulf/story?id=11618039

Yep.  I was right.  Shocker.  Big disaster for bottom feeding fish and their fishermen.
9/13/2010 4:06 PM
 Even the woman isnt sure what she has found, and says her findings are preliminary.

Again no one ever siad this was nothing. Everyone knew that there would be some tough work to clean this all up.

What we have though is no major disaster. No catastrpohe.

Another case of enviromental people screaming the sky was falling and it never happened.
9/14/2010 1:23 AM
Silly question from a non-geologist type person:

How is the oil at the bottom of the sea?  I thought oil was lighter than water (especially salt water) and would float?
9/14/2010 9:50 AM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 9/14/2010 1:23:00 AM (view original):
 Even the woman isnt sure what she has found, and says her findings are preliminary.

Again no one ever siad this was nothing. Everyone knew that there would be some tough work to clean this all up.

What we have though is no major disaster. No catastrpohe.

Another case of enviromental people screaming the sky was falling and it never happened.
Not a catastrophe?  What kind of major retard are you to make that statement?

So all that oil on the bottom of the Gulf Coast floor, killing marine life, and costing fishermen jobs is no big deal to you?

How about someone dumped an oil slick on your place of employment and see how you like it.


9/14/2010 2:51 PM
Again we are not saying that nothing happened and we dont need some clean up.

What we are saying is that when this first happened the enviromentalist decalred it a major disaster. I think by everyone's definition this is a problem, but not a major disaster.

Why are you so sure this is such a problem? Except for the inititial estimates has anyone in authority told you this was going to be that bad? What are you using  a base for your declaration of my retard status?
9/14/2010 4:08 PM
You really think we need an authority figure to tell us that oil in our waterways is bad?  It is a problem regardless of the size of the spill.  It's unbelievable that you can't figure that out, life must not be precious enough to you.  But coming from your pro-corporate stance, anything is OK as long as it doesn't interfere with profits.

As for the basis for my declaration of your retard status?  Your posts are proof enough.
9/14/2010 5:06 PM

Twenty years since the Exxon Valdez tanker ran aground in southeastern Alaska on March 24, 1989, spreading an 11-million-gallon crude-oil inkblot into Prince William Sound, the formerly pristine coastal waters once again appear clean and untouched.

Birds like the arctic tern and the endangered Kittlitz's murrelet can be seen skimming the astonishingly beautiful Alaskan coastline while sea otters backstroke through the cold, clear waters of the Sound. It is a remarkable turnaround since the Exxon spill, the worst man-made environmental disaster in U.S. history — the immediate shock of which killed hundreds of thousands of shorebirds that made their home in the Sound along with sea otters that choked on the crude. Over the long term, populations of orcas, killer whales, herring and other species would be injured by the accident. (Read "Remembering the Lessons of the 'Exon Valdez.'")

Today, the coast is clear and clean. But clean is not the same as pristine. Decades ago, some of the spill found its way to a beach on Knight Island in the Sound, a site that scientists studying the accident would designate KN-102 but which during the multiyear cleanup would earn another name: Death Marsh.

Here, on Death Marsh, Mandy Lindberg, a scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in Alaska's Auke Bay, turns over a shovel of sand and broken rock to reveal a glistening pool of brackish oil. The crude can be chemically typed to the Exxon Valdez, and more oil can be found beneath the beach at Death Marsh and at a number of islands around the Sound. "I wouldn't have possibly believed the oil would last this long," says Lindberg. "Studying the spill has been a great learning experience, but if we had known in the years after the spill what we know now, we would have been looking for oil much earlier."

What scientists like Lindberg know now is that the legacy of the Exxon Valdez is still visible — physically, on the beaches of Prince William Sound and in the animal populations in these sensitive waters that have yet to rebound fully. Using funds from the original spill settlement between Exxon and the state of Alaska, scientists from NOAA have carried out major studies that show oil still remains just beneath the surface in many parts of the Sound — close enough for animals to be affected by it. "The oil may not leak out in quantities that are immediately visible, but that doesn't mean it's not there," says Jeep Rice, a NOAA scientist who has led the studies. "We thought the cleanup would be a one-shot deal — but it's still lingering."

Rice and his colleagues picked a sample of 90 random sites at beaches around the Sound and dug about 100 small pits at each site — more than 9,000 in all. They found oil in over half the places they sampled, despite the fact that only 20% of the beaches that had been hit hardest by the spill, like Death Marsh, were included in the study. Altogether, the NOAA scientists estimated that about 20,000 gallons of oil still remained around the Sound, usually buried between 5 in. and 1 ft. below the surface. (See pictures of the world's most polluted places.)

Those 20,000 gallons, out of at least 11 million spilled, might not seem like much, and scientists initially assumed that whatever oil was left behind during the original cleanup would eventually break down naturally. But it turns out that crude oil — especially when it is spilled in a cold region like southeastern Alaska — lingers in the environment for years. And as long as the oil is there, it can harm the animals that might come into contact with it. Sea otters, for example — the face of the Valdez spill — dig millions of foraging pits in beaches around the Sound, enough to come into contact with oil numerous times. Although the population of sea otters in the area has recovered since the spill, the return has been slow, and researchers suspect the oil might be the reason. "The pattern shows evidence that they're still being exposed," says Rice. "It's not enough to kill them outright anymore, but it's a chronic exposure — and in an environment like this, when species live close to the edge, that could make a difference."

Scientists are still digging into the Sound's beaches, trying to get a better sense of how much oil might be left and whether it will be possible to finish the cleanup. And there are still other questions that need to be answered. The Sound's valuable commercial herring fishery collapsed completely a few years after the spill — there are just 10,000 tons of the fish left today, down from a peak of 150,000 tons before the accident — and researchers are trying to figure out what impact the oil might have had on the species' decline. "We'll never be able to fully link the herring to the oil, but we want to know why the species won't come back and whether it's worth spending the money to help it recover," says Rice.

Exxon-funded scientists have released their own studies, which question the NOAA team's findings and claim that there is little oil left in the Sound. But Rice's studies have held up under peer review — and this reporter personally saw oil buried in a handful of beaches. Ironically, the Exxon spill has greatly enhanced scientists' understanding of the effect that crude oil can have on a vulnerable marine environment: it is more toxic to life than we thought, and harder to clean up. "Even the best cleanup will fall short," says Craig Tillery, a deputy attorney general for the state of Alaska — whose Bristol Bay and Chukchi Sea are being considered for offshore oil and gas exploration — and a member of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council, which funded the NOAA studies. "You have to make sure this never happens."


 
9/14/2010 6:04 PM
This might be the dumbest thread ever. A major environmental disaster, and because it could conceivably have been even worse, swamp acts like it was nothing. Real life isn't Monty Python and the Holy Grail, swamp. Getting your arm cut off is not just a flesh wound. Jeezus.
9/14/2010 6:32 PM
Again this is simple science. Oil leaks into the ocean all the time. The oil from this spill is very different from the oil that was spilled by the Valdez.

This is bad, I think we can all admit this. It is going to take work to clean up 100%.

The issue is this is not a catastrpohe. This is not going to change the Gulf for a generation (A quote I heard just after the spill started). This is not the same as a nuclear blast (another quote).

Conservatives are being realistic.

Enviromentalists have another embaressment on their hands. Another Alar, or another "New Ice Age".

And of course as long as they have apologists like the ones in this forum, they can make any wild claim they want and never learn from their mistakes!
9/14/2010 7:34 PM
Yep Taint, the Deadliest Catch guys were talking about this and how the fishing has never returned to pre Valdez levels because the oil is still there down at the bottom. 

Here is a shocking revelation.  THE OCEAN IS 3 DIMENSIONAL!!!  Just because the surface appears to be cleared up, doesn't mean that the oil isn't still there.
9/15/2010 8:35 AM
Nice to see you are not buying into the swamp gospel raucous but then you have always shown more intelligence then that.
9/15/2010 9:07 AM
So you are going to just ignore the fact that the Valdez oil and oil directly from a well is different?
9/15/2010 9:33 AM
Explain how that is relevant? Are you now claiming that unrefined oil is really no big deal? Are you ever embarrassed by anything you post?
9/15/2010 10:32 AM
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