Curses, I knew this problem would require greater thought grayfoxx. Nice catch by the way.

Okay, I'm going to attack the problem by first saying that this will be a rare occurrence. It should happen at most three or four times. So we can treat these few cases as special instances. In the event that your proposed "chain reaction" occurs, I'd say we make a special exemption of the "one high bid per unit type" rule.

In this case, you'd be allowed to keep both bids. If you're outbid on one of the 2 SP units, then everything goes back to normal. If you win the first bid, then you reserve the right to refuse purchase of the bid until the second bid has also either been won by you or outbid by another owner. In this case bidding will be closed on the first SP unit. If you are outbid on the second bid after winning the first bid, you simply win that first bid and the situation is resolved.

If you win both bids, then you have the right to choose which bid you want to keep, but let's say you must decide ASAP (within 24 hours sound reasonable?). As for the other bid, we use the same rules as in the bankruptcy situation. As stated in the original rules: "The owner who had the second highest bid on [the unwanted SP] Player Unit will have first right of refusal to purchase that Unit at their bid amount, and so on."

Keep in mind that while the above rules are somewhat complicated, it should only happen a couple times and the logic isn't too difficult to follow. Especially if the commish keeps us all informed of the situation as it happens (think CNN situation room, WIS style: cheating in the draft thread! The ongoing late-breaking story).

I realize that this wont happen alot, but even if it happens once, the chain could keep growing and growing.
If I would win both bids(as you say) and choose to keep the second one, we then go back to the first one and find the 2nd highest bid, but that owner(knowing that he lost the first bid) has now become the high bidder on a different SP unit.
If he now has the choice, and chooses his *newer* unit, we then have to go back to the first unit and find the 3rd highest bid, and so on

Quite the conundrum.  The bottom line is that this league will require a team effort in order to run smoothly, and I'm confident we have a solid group of owners in place already (kneeneighbor notwithstanding).  

While this situation should only be a rare occurrence, it is definitely worth discussing.  There is no way to completely avoid such situations from arising at some point, so I'm just going to set some general guidelines to use to resolve any possible issues on a case-by-case basis.


1. Any illegal bid will cost the offending owner 10 million dollars.  No exceptions.  The 10 million will be taken from the owner right away (unless the owner has a current  balance of less than 10 million, in which case the rest of his balance would be wiped out and the remaining fine would be taken from his next disbursement).  This includes making a bid on a Unit while knowingly holding the highest bid on another Unit from the same position, or making a bid for an amount higher than your remaining budget.  Every owner will be held responsible for their actions. 

2.  Illegal bids will NOT reset the 24 hour clock.  Same goes for Blind bids (if an owner has already made an opening bid on a Unit, and another owner comes along and makes a "new" opening bid on the same Unit because he didn't see the other bid), the clock will always revert back to the time of the "real" highest bid. 

          - If 24 hours have eclipsed, the original owner, so long as he doesn't already own another Unit from the same position, will officially acquire that Unit, and any bids he may have made on other Units from the same position will be nullified.
         
          - If an owner finds himself with the highest current bid on two open Units from the same position due to another owners illegal bid, he will not be fined obviously.  But only his earliest bid will be acknowledged. If this causes a chain reaction, the chain will be undone by going backwards one step at a time.  The time of each bid will always be the deciding factor.

          - If the discovery of an illegal bid comes after the 24-hour mark and causes an owner to own two Units from the same position (say he had moved on and won a different Unit auction), the owner will be allowed to choose which of the two Units he wants.  The other Unit will be opened for bidding from scratch.

Hope this helps.  It sounds more complicated than it is really, just don't make an illegal bid. Pretty simple fellas.            

                 

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Are lots going to be determined by WIS positions or baseballref positions?  Roy Halladay is listed a starter for the 2000 Blue Jays on bbref, but WIS has him as a RP, for example.

Sounds like a fun league, I'd like to join with New York Avenue if you'll have me.

Posted by jonas1102 on 9/17/2010 3:07:00 PM (view original):
Are lots going to be determined by WIS positions or baseballref positions?  Roy Halladay is listed a starter for the 2000 Blue Jays on bbref, but WIS has him as a RP, for example.

It seems that WifS would be the logical answer there, way too complicated to have to cross reference with another site.

i believe we are only looking for one more and we are full.....

i reckon that means i should begin to study.

I probably should too- if there's anything I've learned, it's that in a league that ct commishes, you need to do your homework. 

Posted by deanod on 9/17/2010 4:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jonas1102 on 9/17/2010 3:07:00 PM (view original):
Are lots going to be determined by WIS positions or baseballref positions?  Roy Halladay is listed a starter for the 2000 Blue Jays on bbref, but WIS has him as a RP, for example.

It seems that WifS would be the logical answer there, way too complicated to have to cross reference with another site.

That's what I would have figured also, I just can't open the player database because I don't have excel, so I've got most of my info off bbref.  I'm just trying to put a value on the groups right now, but I always get too lazy to actually determine what the groups are.

Posted by kneeneighbor on 9/21/2010 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Quote post by gumbercules on 9/18/2010 1:54:00 PM:

I probably should too- if there's anything I've learned, it's that in a league that ct commishes, you need to do your homework. knee will be a smart ***.

Nobody said the two things were mutually exclusive.

22 in...

Why is the draft for players on unclaimed player units only 2 rounds?  It seems that there will be some rather useful players that go unused- why not add a few extra rounds and/or an auction for the remaining undrafted players?

I thought about it, but I wanted to give more importance to the Unit Auctions. Also, keep in mind that these will be the 6 worst Units at each position, and we'll be drafting the 48 best from the more or less 150 remaining players.

But I guess i'm not opposed to allowing owners that still have money remaining from bidding on those unsigned players following the 2 round draft.