for those unsure about REB margin:

the top 10 in RL in rebounding margin (2010-2011 current numbers):

Pitt 13.2
Old Dominion 10.9
Drexel 10.3
Texas AM 10.3
on down to Southern Miss at 8.2 as the #10 in REB margin
#25 is UNC at 6.4

in Wooden:

UCLA is #1 with 8.0 REB per game margin
#10 is Michigan at 5.5
#25 is Connecticut St at 4.4

the margin was even greater in RL in 2009-2010

Keep in mind that many of our teams play much more equally talented squads than RL. 

that's true - and there are factors that could prevent a would-be elite REB margin team from not performing but generally speaking those numbers are really off

i would love to see the rebounding margins from the old engine compared to the new one...i bet it's very similar to the differences above and the old engine had several double digit margin teams and similar RL margins

Posted by jjboogie on 2/3/2011 3:23:00 PM (view original):
for those unsure about REB margin:

the top 10 in RL in rebounding margin (2010-2011 current numbers):

Pitt 13.2
Old Dominion 10.9
Drexel 10.3
Texas AM 10.3
on down to Southern Miss at 8.2 as the #10 in REB margin
#25 is UNC at 6.4

in Wooden:

UCLA is #1 with 8.0 REB per game margin
#10 is Michigan at 5.5
#25 is Connecticut St at 4.4

the margin was even greater in RL in 2009-2010

I think even more significant is the fact that rebounding margin in HD has shrunk so dramatically from what it was before the last engine change.

So if reb isn't a bit screwed up ... why would that be?

If the team formula was just a sum of the individual formulas that are currently being used, then it is equal.  if for some reason that part changed, then we will have an issue.  Seble would have to answer that.

As far as the overall ratings for a player, would not a simpler solution be to just plug in another 50 or so recruits into the slot between say 575-650 or so. Or what ever number you need to resolve the issue... the core problem to me seems to be not enough "decent" recruits to go around for DI.
Leave the existing recruit generation alone.... just add a few more in the area needed. They would still be diverse recruits and all 50 wouldn't be great players, but there would be more to choose from that weren't DII caliber players.

Posted by miz2 on 2/3/2011 4:42:00 PM (view original):
As far as the overall ratings for a player, would not a simpler solution be to just plug in another 50 or so recruits into the slot between say 575-650 or so. Or what ever number you need to resolve the issue... the core problem to me seems to be not enough "decent" recruits to go around for DI.
Leave the existing recruit generation alone.... just add a few more in the area needed. They would still be diverse recruits and all 50 wouldn't be great players, but there would be more to choose from that weren't DII caliber players.

THIS!!!!!!!

Well based on seble's response to my chart, I am hopeful.  I will try to remember this page and redo the chart when Allen rolls over.

Posted by reinsel on 2/3/2011 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Well based on seble's response to my chart, I am hopeful.  I will try to remember this page and redo the chart when Allen rolls over.

well i am glad at least one of us is hopeful. but without max ratings changing, this is really an artificial change if you ask me. so mid majors will have better looking team averages... and their backups will be a little better than previously. their first 5 are still going to get flattened - unless seble took a huge crap on the top 100 or so players nationally.

Eh, that isnt really necessary.  The top top guys are split up pretty well, leave early or are balanced out by walkons vs a senior laden mid major team should be ok.

well when you look around today its the top guys aren't split up that well and they aren't balanced out - senior laden mid major teams pretty much get flattened. those senior laden mid major teams are not getting any better. i suppose the top big 6 schools will suffer a bit, because the elite recruits will likely leave earlier in their growth and thus will not be as effective. but also, top big 6 schools rely more heavily on younger players - and its the fr/so players who are getting better, not jr/sr. so in that way, top big 6 school will be helped out. honestly, i don't know which factor is bigger. but i don't think either is that substantially bigger than the other - and thus, i expect the top schools will be roughly as good as today. with the senior-laden mid majors also roughly as good as today, i don't see how they are going to be ok vs the big boys? assuming you agree they aren't ok today.

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Posted by hitman1979 on 2/2/2011 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Lots of squeaky wheels getting greased.

+1

Yeah we all know you hate anything that has to do with progress

Thanks for the totally baseless quip, progress is welcome, but we've seen implementation from WIS before.  I hope it is progress, but I expect many problems, all of which will be complained about loudly on these very forums in the next few days.

Hit - I was aiming at namshub who seems to always take the stance that the game is fine as is and never needs any changes. Didn't mean to hit you in the cross fire.

Actually, i'm more from the school of "there are alot of complainers in this game who complain about changes being made and then when changes are made they complain about the changes that weren't made or they complain about the need for more changes or they complain about the changes that were made but done improperly, etc., etc."  That would be my actual stance mully. 

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Posted by mullycj on 2/2/2011 12:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hitman1979 on 2/2/2011 12:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 2/2/2011 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by namshub on 2/2/2011 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by hitman1979 on 2/2/2011 12:00:00 PM (view original):
Lots of squeaky wheels getting greased.

+1

Yeah we all know you hate anything that has to do with progress

Thanks for the totally baseless quip, progress is welcome, but we've seen implementation from WIS before.  I hope it is progress, but I expect many problems, all of which will be complained about loudly on these very forums in the next few days.

Hit - I was aiming at namshub who seems to always take the stance that the game is fine as is and never needs any changes. Didn't mean to hit you in the cross fire.

Actually, i'm more from the school of "there are alot of complainers in this game who complain about changes being made and then when changes are made they complain about the changes that weren't made or they complain about the need for more changes or they complain about the changes that were made but done improperly, etc., etc."  That would be my actual stance mully. 

I can side with that.