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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2012 5:56:00 PM (view original):
I'd be surprised if he got to 1000 more at 3b than SS.  He'll DH a lot.  And we'll see how he plays the last few years...he might be a 200-300 PA guy at best, splitting time at 3b/1b/DH if he can't hit well or can't stay healthy (which happens to a lot of 40-42 year olds).  We'll see.

Yes, it's your list, but we all argue with each other all the time about who's right and who's wrong, and that's what we're doing here.  The SS with 345 homers and 990 RBI makes my list of best shortstops.
Where is Tex gonna play when A-Rod's at 1B?  And it's complete folly to think he's gonna get 200-300 PA if he's healthy.   Folly.


6/12/2012 9:04 PM
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On days off for Tex or games Girardi "rests" him by putting him at DH. So, 15-20 games a year?

And I have a hard time believing ARod can play at an above average level from 40-42. And of all the teams in baseball, the Yankees are a team that won't accept a full time player putting up .250/15/75, which ARod isn't exactly far off from now, at age 36. He might be there sooner than that.
6/12/2012 11:12 PM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2012 11:12:00 PM (view original):
On days off for Tex or games Girardi "rests" him by putting him at DH. So, 15-20 games a year?

And I have a hard time believing ARod can play at an above average level from 40-42. And of all the teams in baseball, the Yankees are a team that won't accept a full time player putting up .250/15/75, which ARod isn't exactly far off from now, at age 36. He might be there sooner than that.
And IF he's healthy. Players that old have a hard time staying healthy.
6/12/2012 11:16 PM
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Any conversation about the best SS ever that doesn't even mention Tony Fernandez is ridiculous!
6/13/2012 12:05 AM
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I MENTIONED FERNANDEZ!!!!
6/13/2012 7:49 AM
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6/13/2012 7:52 AM
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Posted by burnsy483 on 6/12/2012 11:12:00 PM (view original):
On days off for Tex or games Girardi "rests" him by putting him at DH. So, 15-20 games a year?

And I have a hard time believing ARod can play at an above average level from 40-42. And of all the teams in baseball, the Yankees are a team that won't accept a full time player putting up .250/15/75, which ARod isn't exactly far off from now, at age 36. He might be there sooner than that.
With the Yanks, Tex has averaged 149+ games at 1B.   He's also one of the best fielding 1B in baseball.  He signed thru 2016.  Finally, 1B isn't the most physically taxing position.    Why would the Yankee manager put someone learning the position over there?

The Yankees gave A-Rod the long deal with the expectation of cashing in on him breaking the HR record.   If, and it's no longer a guarantee, he's still chasing the record when he's 40, he's not becoming a part-time player. 
6/13/2012 7:53 AM
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I was looking at A-Rod playing 1b the same way Posada did the last year of his career.  So, 11 starts, not 15-20. 

I imagine at 40, he'd be more than likely a full time DH if he's a full-time player.  And the Yankees prefer winning over all else - if A-Rod isn't preforming, which is very possible, even likely, at that age, he won't be chasing the record, and he won't be playing.
6/13/2012 10:50 AM
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George is dead.    Hank and Hal aren't win-at-all-costs George.    They're bottom-line guys.  The rumor that the Yanks could be sold makes one think.   The whole "we're reducing payroll to 189m to avoid luxury tax" mantra confirms it.  

A-Rod needs 124 homers in 5 1/2+ seasons.   That's 20 a year, more or less.   If you don't think he'll be chasing the record, and playing full-time, in 3 years, I'm not sure what kind of calculator you use.    The Yanks will hope to cash in on his 763 homer, and the pursuit of it, in some way.   Barring injury, he plays.
6/13/2012 11:18 AM
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Baseball ahtletes tend to fall apart pretty quickly when they get to 38,39,40.  So yes, I do question his ability to stay healthy from 38-42, and perform at a level that gets him 20 homers a year.
6/13/2012 2:10 PM
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Jorge Posada caught.   He turned 40 in August of his final year.   Hit 18 and 14 homers in part-time duty in his last two. 
6/13/2012 2:19 PM
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Posada DH-ed his last year.  And are you asking for a list of players who got significantly worse as they approached 40?  And why don't players continue to play until they're 42?

And yes, Posada got part-time duty.  Why didn't he get full time duty?  If he was 2 years away from maybe having the home run record, would he have full-time duty?

6/13/2012 2:41 PM
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I'm sure most players do get worse as they age.    However, power hitters still have power.   They just don't catch up to as many.   It's hard to find 40 y/o power hitters that aren't PED-suspects but Dave Kingman was still whacking them out regularly in his last season.   I'd use McGwire as an example of a guy hitting homers and not much else but we know he's PED. 

Yes, Posada would have played full-time if he was approaching the HR record and making 20m.   3B is not catching.  Posada could no longer catch.   You could make an argument that A-Rod will move to 1B except there's no where to play Texiera.   Like it or not, A-Rod will be playing 3B 140 games a year in 2016(assuming he's healthy).   He's hitting a HR every 22.5 AB this season and that's an improvement over last year(when he had the hip issue). 
6/13/2012 3:03 PM
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There's a reason you can't find many power hitters in their 40s.  They aren't very good or are injured.

A-Rod's already DH-ing once every 3 or 4 games he plays.  There's almost 0% chance he plays 140 games at 3b in 2016.
6/13/2012 3:40 PM
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I'm not sure that's fair.   Up until this year, you couldn't find 49 y/o pitchers either.   New medicine and workout regimens allow players to play longer.   30 years ago an elbow injury was the end of a pitcher's career.  Now it's just some time off.  

As far as what he's doing now, it's because Girardi said he would be resting him and Jeter more.    A-Rod coming off an injury, Jeter is not.   A-Rod is getting more DH time.   A-Rod is playing better now than last season.   Hips are problematic for ballplayers.  They don't heal instantly.
6/13/2012 4:31 PM
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