At least for me, I usually think of saying things to people in the conference when I am looking at the conference standings - which leads to paths referred to above.

No matter whether there exist paths that involve no more clicks than before, I think many people find that conf chat is less convenient/intuitive than before 3.0. If I were WIS, I would want to promote conf chat as a helpful way to build community and enhance user commitment to the product.

To me, the Conference Chat set-up in 3.0 sucks.

This is my thinking:
I check out another conference's standings... every team's name and record is shown there, and it's the hub and nerve-center of that conference. On this Standings page, I see how their teams are doing. I see any conversation that those conference members might be having. Ok, so I decide i want to add a comment to their message board... i should be able to scroll down on that same page, and leave a comment in the open text box, and click submit. Absolutely simple, like it was in 2.0

Instead, why the hell does it now make me open a new page at all? Right? So, it decides to i have to click on Open Chat, which then takes me to my own conference's Chat Board, which to me does not make sense... then i have to use the pick box to find and open that other conference's Chat. Then i finally get to the page i want. To me, the 2.0 version was perfect, and there is no way i can accept this new 3.0 process as being better or more efficient or more community-building... it's just a pain in the ***... and i use Chat a lot, and after 10 months I'm still not adjusted and still think it's a pain and it sucks.

Also, if someone from another conference writes in my league's Chat, it doesn't even show me the team name, nor that team's conference. Instead, it makes me f-ckin open up Chat Room again to find out who they are. Makes no freakin sense.

Now get off my lawn...!

If I want to chat with the guys in North Central in Naismith, I have two good options. Both begin with me clicking on "View Full Chat" button at the bottom of my home startup, or Office < Main page. From there, if they have left something on the Lone Star chat recently, I can just click on the name of their conference - N. Central - in parentheses under the coach's name in the coach column. And boom, I'm in N. Central chat. Or if they haven't said anything recently, I can select "DII North Central Intercollegiate Athletic" from the drop down at the top. This isn't more clicks than it used to take. It takes more clicks than before if you choose to go to Standings < Conference to chat, because you've chosen to access chat in a roundabout manner. That way it will be 3 clicks, instead of 2, because the first is spent navigating away from the page where you already have "View Full Chat" immediately accessible.

Honestly, it was a mistake for them to cave in to the complaining and add a view of coaches corner back to the standings page in the first place. If they hadn't done that, everyone would be used to how it works now.

Why should you need to open 2 different tabs to see information about a conference. The standings page is one of the most frequent places I go to. I go there often and while doing that I can see if someone posted in chat.

why would it be better to go to standings. Then say oh I wonder if my conf mate left a post for first time in a week, let me go check that now.

some chats are not heavily used so I'm not going to open a specific chat page daily to see how many hundreds of jobs there available in other worlds.

To clarify- in Allen its me and one other guy. We've posted occasionally but not often. He posted a question during recruiting. I would never have seen his post if chat wasn't connected to standings.

or I would have seen it way later than he needed the help to his question.

1)Browse standings
2) See interesting discussion in another conference chat on the side but cannot view full discussion.
3) Click "view full chat" to see full discussion.
4) Uhh I'm redirected back to my conference chat instead of other conference chat.

You're not wrong shoe but I never just roam around looking at conference chat pages.

One other thing on Conference Chat...

In Crum, when i open the Big Ten Chat Room (I'm in the Big East), for example, i can't see names of the humans in that league... i have to remember each human, his team, and his W-L record... i mean I'm kinda familiar with the Big Ten, but could i name all 10 human owners off the top of my head? That's why having it on the Standings page is important. Ok, that's all i'll say.

P.S. Iowa State's color scheme is still incorrect. :o)

Shoe, the fact that you are the only one arguing in favor of the 3.0 version just further shows that 1. you just don't get it, when everyone else does, or 2. you will support any and all things 3.0 regardless if it was better or not.

I have a conference that used to be very active with chat. Ever since they moved it in 3.0, there are about 3-4 posts at best each season. There simply is very little reason to go to chat, just to go to chat, unless you had a matchup. Before, we would comment on games, standings, and even develop little rivalries with some trash talk and a very active coaches corner chat. That's gone mostly, died down now with nearly all the same coaches.

That's not really a 3.0 problem. Your coaches just aren't posting.

As the rest have said many times Mike, coaches go look at the standings, maybe see prior chat and have something they want to say in or out of conference, and the chat box was right there. Now it's a few extra clicks and most don't bother, or chat is out of sight out of mind. It seems trivial, but whether you agree or not, doesn't change the fact that most everyone prefers it where it was in 2.0, and it has 0 effect on how the game is played. It was a change that didn't need to be made.

Posted by rugburn on 6/2/2017 6:35:00 PM (view original):
Shoe, the fact that you are the only one arguing in favor of the 3.0 version just further shows that 1. you just don't get it, when everyone else does, or 2. you will support any and all things 3.0 regardless if it was better or not.

I have a conference that used to be very active with chat. Ever since they moved it in 3.0, there are about 3-4 posts at best each season. There simply is very little reason to go to chat, just to go to chat, unless you had a matchup. Before, we would comment on games, standings, and even develop little rivalries with some trash talk and a very active coaches corner chat. That's gone mostly, died down now with nearly all the same coaches.

Oooh, sick rugburn.

Posted by poncho0091 on 6/2/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
As the rest have said many times Mike, coaches go look at the standings, maybe see prior chat and have something they want to say in or out of conference, and the chat box was right there. Now it's a few extra clicks and most don't bother, or chat is out of sight out of mind. It seems trivial, but whether you agree or not, doesn't change the fact that most everyone prefers it where it was in 2.0, and it has 0 effect on how the game is played. It was a change that didn't need to be made.

He's talking about his own conference. That's not even related to the issue of looking for other conferences chat. It requires the same one click (the view full chat button at the bottom of your main page) to see all recent chat from your own conference. You can see the last three messages without clicking *anything*, which is even simpler than it used to be. If your conference mates aren't posting, it's not because it's complicated or obfuscated. Unless your argument is that your conference mates are just too stupid to know what "view full chat" means.

Posted by shoe3 on 6/2/2017 8:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by poncho0091 on 6/2/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
As the rest have said many times Mike, coaches go look at the standings, maybe see prior chat and have something they want to say in or out of conference, and the chat box was right there. Now it's a few extra clicks and most don't bother, or chat is out of sight out of mind. It seems trivial, but whether you agree or not, doesn't change the fact that most everyone prefers it where it was in 2.0, and it has 0 effect on how the game is played. It was a change that didn't need to be made.

He's talking about his own conference. That's not even related to the issue of looking for other conferences chat. It requires the same one click (the view full chat button at the bottom of your main page) to see all recent chat from your own conference. You can see the last three messages without clicking *anything*, which is even simpler than it used to be. If your conference mates aren't posting, it's not because it's complicated or obfuscated. Unless your argument is that your conference mates are just too stupid to know what "view full chat" means.

Ooooh even sicker rug burn!

Posted by shoe3 on 6/2/2017 8:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by poncho0091 on 6/2/2017 7:37:00 PM (view original):
As the rest have said many times Mike, coaches go look at the standings, maybe see prior chat and have something they want to say in or out of conference, and the chat box was right there. Now it's a few extra clicks and most don't bother, or chat is out of sight out of mind. It seems trivial, but whether you agree or not, doesn't change the fact that most everyone prefers it where it was in 2.0, and it has 0 effect on how the game is played. It was a change that didn't need to be made.

He's talking about his own conference. That's not even related to the issue of looking for other conferences chat. It requires the same one click (the view full chat button at the bottom of your main page) to see all recent chat from your own conference. You can see the last three messages without clicking *anything*, which is even simpler than it used to be. If your conference mates aren't posting, it's not because it's complicated or obfuscated. Unless your argument is that your conference mates are just too stupid to know what "view full chat" means.

You missed the point completely. People want to talk about division/conference standings, look at the records and type as they are looking at it. In 2.0, I rarely went to post something just to post a message unless it was a gg or something of that sort. Typically I'd go in, look at records, standings, etc and if something interesting was occurring, I would post right from there. I didn't show up and go straight to chat and say, "Hey TJ, how are the wife and kids?" It was usually more like, "Hey TJ, why does the West suck this season?" which would come as I'm looking at the standings and see the East on top (something you don't see on the main page, so I have to go to the standing page regardless, then still make the extra click to the chat after).

Then when you have cross conference rivalries, you want to go look at their standings and how they are doing, and maybe talk a little trash from there. The 2 are more related than you'd let on. Our conference and GLV were constantly going at it for the top conference so there was plenty of cross conference chat.

Like I said before, it's a few extra trivial clicks, but that's enough sometimes for someone to say nevermind.

-Jersey numbers maybe.
-Field goals made and attempted per game on the stats page of the team profile.
-This may not be easy or necessary but I've always wanted to see more timeouts.
-Gym/Arena names next to the homecourt grade. Yeah it's a waste of time but it'd be fun to learn all the different ones.
-Expand the news section for conferences, maybe give the coaches the chance to write their own.
-New player names.
-6th man of the year for post season awards.