On pace now for 162-810... It might be late, but I'd like to vote for re-randomizing.

I made this team by process of elimination of each hit type's primary obstacles:

1. Singles teams won't be able to generate enough runs — Dodger Stadium is their only hope.

Ozo, from your roster strategies for the $120m:

overall I agreed that the singles team I built wouldn’t generate as much offense as my doubles team, but curious why you felt Dodger Stadium was their only hope. IMO, Dodger stadium would probably be one of the worst options for a singles team as it would suppress xbh even more than they already are. While still plus hits, the reduction of 2B/3B/HR would definitely hurt a singles team more than help IMO. Hilltop, Baker Bowl, Fenway, etc would have been my choices if I’d gone with a singles team as they would increase the xbh output from my singles hitters.

always curious to see other owners mindset when thinking of these things.

Suppressing doubles is a good idea when you expect to give up more doubles than you hit.Why would a singles team want to help all of the doubles teams hit more doubles?

yeah the key to park selection is your team relative to the other teams in the league. Dodger Stadium makes run scoring harder for everyone but it penalizes the double-heavy teams the most.

But also penalizes your team, which is already at a disadvantage to run scoring. Dodger doesn’t just give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits, and then suppresses xbh. So the xbh teams will still get hits, and will get exponentially more xbh’s than the singles team. Yes, a +xbh team will benefit the teams with doubles/triples, but your teams singles will also be turned into xbh and give your team a chance IMO. I think j4m’s team will be a perfect example of this I think

So if I draft a doubles team, I should put them in Dodger Stadium and laugh my way to a championship?

I need to turn on notifications whenever loogie over here posts

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 12:35:00 PM (view original):
But also penalizes your team, which is already at a disadvantage to run scoring. Dodger doesn’t just give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits, and then suppresses xbh. So the xbh teams will still get hits, and will get exponentially more xbh’s than the singles team. Yes, a +xbh team will benefit the teams with doubles/triples, but your teams singles will also be turned into xbh and give your team a chance IMO. I think j4m’s team will be a perfect example of this I think

I’ve been under the assumption that +/- stats give a multiplier to only that type of hit.

So Dodger Stadium would suppress hits and increase the likelihood a hit is a single

They're only hitting more doubles if they're getting more hits... Dodger helps your pitching by reducing overall XBH, but it's not penalizing doubles teams anymore than having -1B factors combined with lower ERA pitchers.

The XBH factors on a ballpark just describe the ratio of what happens after a ball is safely hit. Doubles teams are still going to hit more doubles than singles teams in Dodger, and if their AVG is roughly the same then they'll still get just as many hits overall, while still having more XBH than the singles teams.

It's boosting both teams overall hits equally and the reducing both teams XBH hits equally, it's pitcher ERA, defensive range, and hitter XBH rates driving the hit type at that point and if your opponent hits more XBH, then they'll still get more XBH. The only way you gain here is if your AVG is higher than your opponent AVG sufficiently to overcome the XBH difference (and pitcher OAV/ERA, obviously).

I feel Dodger would be the worst choice for a singles team... I'd be looking at high XBH ballparks for a singles team (Coors, Mile High, Baker Bowl, Fenway, Hilltop, etc...). Obviously, I chose a singes team and put them in Baker Bowl for this reason.

Got some work stuff now, but I can come back in a day or so with specific examples of ballpark effects on players performances.

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 12:35:00 PM (view original):
But also penalizes your team, which is already at a disadvantage to run scoring. Dodger doesn’t just give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits, and then suppresses xbh. So the xbh teams will still get hits, and will get exponentially more xbh’s than the singles team. Yes, a +xbh team will benefit the teams with doubles/triples, but your teams singles will also be turned into xbh and give your team a chance IMO. I think j4m’s team will be a perfect example of this I think

"Dodger doesn't give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits"

This is a myth that has been shared for a long time. The singles rating is for singles only. The Park Factor is for hits as a whole.

Posted by ozomatli on 6/14/2021 1:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 12:35:00 PM (view original):
But also penalizes your team, which is already at a disadvantage to run scoring. Dodger doesn’t just give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits, and then suppresses xbh. So the xbh teams will still get hits, and will get exponentially more xbh’s than the singles team. Yes, a +xbh team will benefit the teams with doubles/triples, but your teams singles will also be turned into xbh and give your team a chance IMO. I think j4m’s team will be a perfect example of this I think

"Dodger doesn't give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits"

This is a myth that has been shared for a long time. The singles rating is for singles only. The Park Factor is for hits as a whole.

No, park factor has no impact at all and is a general reference to run scoring environment.

This post might help understand how ballpark effects work:

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=519598&threadID=11831758#l_11831758

1B modifier is absolutely overall hits as it is worked backwards in the decision tree (see above).

Don't have time to read that but I would love to play your singles team in the Baker Bowl with my doubles team

Posted by ozomatli on 6/14/2021 1:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 12:35:00 PM (view original):
But also penalizes your team, which is already at a disadvantage to run scoring. Dodger doesn’t just give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits, and then suppresses xbh. So the xbh teams will still get hits, and will get exponentially more xbh’s than the singles team. Yes, a +xbh team will benefit the teams with doubles/triples, but your teams singles will also be turned into xbh and give your team a chance IMO. I think j4m’s team will be a perfect example of this I think

"Dodger doesn't give a + to singles, it gives a plus to hits"

This is a myth that has been shared for a long time. The singles rating is for singles only. The Park Factor is for hits as a whole.

I’m curious how you determined this is a myth. Every discussion I’ve seen on the decision tree (including contrarian’s pinned threads in the SLB forum) indicates the singles factor is used in the hit/out portion of the decision tree (i.e. it impacts overall hit frequency, not type of hit).

Bring your slide rules to the parking lot after school, and we'll settle this once and for all.

Posted by ozomatli on 6/14/2021 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Don't have time to read that but I would love to play your singles team in the Baker Bowl with my doubles team

In short, the decision tree uses ballpark effects at the hit/out (1B modifier) decision, the HR/non-HR decision (HR modifier) , then determines if it is a + play or not, then park effects at the 3B or non-3B (3B modifier), 2B or non-2B (2B modifier), and if it still hasn't landed on a hit type at this point becomes a single.

So, my super rangey singles team in Baker Bowl gets the benefit of having their high AVG turn into XBH at a high rate and my opponents don't see as much of a boost because the + play decision comes in before the 3B, 2B, and 1B factor in. My fielders turn some of those hits into outs and others from XBH to singles. Lower ERA pitchers also have a minimal impact on reducing 3B and 2B, as well (roughly weighted 10-15% of that hit decision formula depending on whether it's running 2B or 3B). So, my team should hit more 2Bs than many 2Bs teams even in my home park.