Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

"...his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters"?

Do I have to post all the instances where a BLM "protest" included burning, looting, vandalism and violence against business owners trying to protect their livelihood?

His intent was to help ensure none of the above took place near him.

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

If this was about BLM protests, he would have been out there the first or second night of the protests. He went out there after a car lot was burned to the ground. Based on all available evidence, he was out there to protect the town that his family lived in and that he worked in. Also, if this was racial, there were plenty of black people he could have shot. The only people that he had an issue with were the 4 people that attacked him (all of them white).

If you don't think through the details of the situation, its easy to come to the conclusion that there was at a minimum racial undertones. When you actually think about all of the details, there is literally nothing about this that is racial other than the looters and arsonists happened to be at a BLM event. They were not there in support of the BLM event. They were there because they were criminals that saw an opportunity to wreak havoc. BLM protestors don't go around screaming the n-word.

This is why it's so dangerous for MSM to exploit every situation as racist.

What's funny to me about the left using Rittenhouse as their poster-child against white supremacy and vigilantilism is there is a case that is going on simultaneously that clearly has a racial element where a black person was actually shot and killed that is receiving only a fraction of the media attention that the Rittenhouse trial is receiving. This is why no one trusts the media.

i did not know that was his town

i thought he crossed state lines with an illegally obtained firearm

yes in order to protect property

but i did not know it was his hometown he was protecting

Posted by bagchucker on 11/13/2021 9:06:00 PM (view original):
i did not know that was his town

i thought he crossed state lines with an illegally obtained firearm

yes in order to protect property

but i did not know it was his hometown he was protecting

His mother lived in Antioch, Il at the time (just over the border). His father and all of his father’s family lived in Kenosha and he worked in Kenosha. The “out of towner” narrative was a false narrative perpetuated by the media to stir up trouble. Hence why the media’s approval rating is in the 20’s.

He did not cross state lines with a weapon. The weapon was kept at his friend’s house in Kenosha. He was too young to possess the weapon from my understanding. He could you the weapon, but he couldn’t keep the weapon. I’m a little fuzzy on that one. Not sure how that works. May get the gun charge for that, but it’s a misdemeanor.

Another funny thing about all this is that instead of the media admitting that they have pushed a false narrative for the past year, they started blaming the judge because he said that we should honor veterans on Veterans Day and he has “God Bless America” as his ring-tone.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 9:36:00 PM (view original):
Another funny thing about all this is that instead of the media admitting that they have pushed a false narrative for the past year, they started blaming the judge because he said that we should honor veterans on Veterans Day and he has “God Bless America” as his ring-tone.

Well, to be fair, if he honors vets and loves America then obviously he is a raging racist himself and can't be trusted to be impartial.

That’s true. What was I thinking?!? I should have realized that.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 3:01:00 PM (view original):
It’s more the fact that MSM has made this a racial issue just like they do with everything. It’s quite deceiving to the normal person that only reads headlines. I could link you dozens of articles that do that.

Can you link the worst offender of these articles?

And it's quite a sad state when the "normal" is only reading the headlines. The media isn't all to blame for that.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 6:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

If this was about BLM protests, he would have been out there the first or second night of the protests. He went out there after a car lot was burned to the ground. Based on all available evidence, he was out there to protect the town that his family lived in and that he worked in. Also, if this was racial, there were plenty of black people he could have shot. The only people that he had an issue with were the 4 people that attacked him (all of them white).

If you don't think through the details of the situation, its easy to come to the conclusion that there was at a minimum racial undertones. When you actually think about all of the details, there is literally nothing about this that is racial other than the looters and arsonists happened to be at a BLM event. They were not there in support of the BLM event. They were there because they were criminals that saw an opportunity to wreak havoc. BLM protestors don't go around screaming the n-word.

This is why it's so dangerous for MSM to exploit every situation as racist.

What's funny to me about the left using Rittenhouse as their poster-child against white supremacy and vigilantilism is there is a case that is going on simultaneously that clearly has a racial element where a black person was actually shot and killed that is receiving only a fraction of the media attention that the Rittenhouse trial is receiving. This is why no one trusts the media.

It is absolutely not a sane or rational decision for an unsupervised 17 year old kid to bring a firearm to a protest at night. You don't do that if you don't have the intention of harming people, sorry. I know he thought he was there to "protect the community" or some ****. How'd that go for him? Rittenhouse is a ******* moron - not a murderer, but a moron.

It is not your job, as a ******* untrained kid who has no idea what they are doing, to bring your gun to a protest with dangerous people. And why he chose to do so absolutely has racial undertones. It's a white person bringing a gun to protect their community from a BLM protest.

Calling Rittenhouse himself racist or saying that he shot the people for racist reasons - that's unfair and if the MSM was doing that, I wholeheartedly condemn it. But saying that the case as a whole has racial undertones is not controversial.

I agree completely that the Arbery case should get more attention, because that case has racial overtones. It's more important and more newsworthy than the Rittenhouse case. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the broader media atmosphere prioritizes sensationalism and attention more than they do a political bias.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/elderly-man-defending-store-during-kenosha-riots-has-jaw-broken/

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/31/dallas-man-beaten-kicked-for-defending-storefront-with-sword/

The first video happened in Kenosha 2 days before Kyle's incident.

The second shows "protesters" stomping a business owner (from the Dallas "protests").

Posted by tangplay on 11/13/2021 11:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 6:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

If this was about BLM protests, he would have been out there the first or second night of the protests. He went out there after a car lot was burned to the ground. Based on all available evidence, he was out there to protect the town that his family lived in and that he worked in. Also, if this was racial, there were plenty of black people he could have shot. The only people that he had an issue with were the 4 people that attacked him (all of them white).

If you don't think through the details of the situation, its easy to come to the conclusion that there was at a minimum racial undertones. When you actually think about all of the details, there is literally nothing about this that is racial other than the looters and arsonists happened to be at a BLM event. They were not there in support of the BLM event. They were there because they were criminals that saw an opportunity to wreak havoc. BLM protestors don't go around screaming the n-word.

This is why it's so dangerous for MSM to exploit every situation as racist.

What's funny to me about the left using Rittenhouse as their poster-child against white supremacy and vigilantilism is there is a case that is going on simultaneously that clearly has a racial element where a black person was actually shot and killed that is receiving only a fraction of the media attention that the Rittenhouse trial is receiving. This is why no one trusts the media.

It is absolutely not a sane or rational decision for an unsupervised 17 year old kid to bring a firearm to a protest at night. You don't do that if you don't have the intention of harming people, sorry. I know he thought he was there to "protect the community" or some ****. How'd that go for him? Rittenhouse is a ******* moron - not a murderer, but a moron.

It is not your job, as a ******* untrained kid who has no idea what they are doing, to bring your gun to a protest with dangerous people. And why he chose to do so absolutely has racial undertones. It's a white person bringing a gun to protect their community from a BLM protest.

Calling Rittenhouse himself racist or saying that he shot the people for racist reasons - that's unfair and if the MSM was doing that, I wholeheartedly condemn it. But saying that the case as a whole has racial undertones is not controversial.

I agree completely that the Arbery case should get more attention, because that case has racial overtones. It's more important and more newsworthy than the Rittenhouse case. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the broader media atmosphere prioritizes sensationalism and attention more than they do a political bias.

no doubt this young man made some very stupid choices. I watched this from afar on a Cable News
screen
The protests seemed to be getting out of control. Well beyond what the BLM protest was trying to achieve.
The question remains what were the authorities doing to control the situation? Where was the protection for the people who lived there?
Perhaps from the young man's point of view no one was helping and he decided to act.
The State needed to do a better job. Were they scared that any counter response ie a greater number of National Guard would be seen as racist.
The same type of tragedy happened in Seatte's
so called CHOP zone when a murdered occurred.
Soon after the zone was no more. A lack of courageous and well thought out leadership
cost lives.
This past election in Minnesota may have proved
people don't want to reimagine police. Hopefully many lessons were learned.
It's taking a long time but how we think and act as a nation towards race is improving. Let's keep going in that direction. This is a great country!

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/14/2021 12:44:00 AM (view original):
https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2020

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/31/dallas-man-beaten-kicked-for-defending-storefront-with-sword/

The first video happened in Kenosha 5 days before Kyle's incident.

The second shows "protesters" stomping a business owner (from the Dallas "protests").

Ah yes, the Dallas "business owner" (never actually proven that the business in question was owned by him, I'm pretty sure it was just a bar he liked lmao) who "defended" the store by chasing around a kid with a sword... the same sword that the DAY BEFORE he bragged on Twitter could kill people, and the same guy who previously said that "aggression is extremely useful.. scare the daylights out of them and they'll surrender."

In reality what the BLM protesters did in Dallas could be characterized as self defense. You have no IDEA what was going on before, all we know is that the guy was chasing someone else around with a sword with intent to kill.

I can't watch the other video. I'm sure it's not some weak attempt to characterize the BLM protests as violent or whatever when in reality the only death caused by a BLM supporter was the one in Portland and there were many more killed by police and right wingers than by left wingers at the protests last summer.

The question remains what were the authorities doing to control the situation? Where was the protection for the people who lived there?
Perhaps from the young man's point of view no one was helping and he decided to act.
The State needed to do a better job. Were they scared that any counter response ie a greater number of National Guard would be seen as racist.

"Intervening" for police seemed to mean either going in and beating up people for marching in the streets or do absolutely nothing with no room in between. I said it last year and I'll say it again now; I don't understand why police didn't just focus on ACTUALLY DEFENDING PROPERTY rather than offensively engaging protesters.

But no matter what, IT'S A STUPID DECISION TO TAKE A GUN AND TRY TO FIGHT PEOPLE IN THE STREETS AS A 17 YEAR OLD KID

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

YUP, and EXACTLY!!

AND, the weapon HE carried was obtained ILLEGALLY, He carried it ILLEGALLY into another State, and it is ILLEGAL to participate in vigilante actions!

And, further, to deny racial undertones in this situation is NUTS!!
This Country, MY COUNTRY, is consumed by our Racism. It has always been so, and remains so with the Majority of the populace in MANY sections of MY Country.
To deny so, is to reject the very clear Historical record.

As a people, we need to GROW UP!
Accept our shortcomings as a populace and try and become an ADULT Country.
Denying our past is a sure way to repeat the mistakes.
Continuing on our present path (tribalism and mefirst!!) will result in the collapse of our Republic!

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/13/2021 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 11/13/2021 3:16:00 PM (view original):
I don't understand the stance that it's not related to racial issues. The dude showed up to a BLM rally with a weapon that's really only useful for killing human beings. Even if he was hoping to go home without discharging said weapon, his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters. That doesn't make it murder. It does make the racial undertones unavoidable.

"...his intent was not peaceful towards BLM protesters"?

Do I have to post all the instances where a BLM "protest" included burning, looting, vandalism and violence against business owners trying to protect their livelihood?

His intent was to help ensure none of the above took place near him.

COMPLETE BULLSHEIT!!!

He (nor ANYONE else) has the right to attempt to force "PEACE" on folks using vigilante FORCE!!

And NO, it's quite clear his INTENT was NOT peaceful towards the BLM folks!