I hate people at B/B+ who take 3 walk-ons every year and throw cash at 5 stars, endlessly getting in 30-40% rolls without even setting up legitimate backup options. Like its impossible to battle these people since I can't even attack any of their other recruits (they are D2 level players)

That being said I try to take 2/3 walk-ons myself every year at B so don't hate the player, hate the game lol

Also check out the streak I'm on its totally ridiculous:

(A+ Kansas) 44% loss. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams. Player is currently JR on #159 RPI team
(A+ Kansas) 45% loss. Player is SO and set to miss NT in back-to-back years
(A+ Kansas) 24% loss
(B- Wyoming) 53% loss--program changing player
(B- Wyoming) 62% loss--program changing player
(C Oregon) 58% loss
(A+ Kansas) 55% win
(A+ Kansas) 58% win
(B Wyoming) 35% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 44% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 39% loss--program changing player. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams
(A+ Kansas) 69% loss (all in and wants success preference against a team set to miss PI)

So 2-10 and the expected record is 6-6.

2-4 as the favorite and 0-6 as the underdog.

To make it even better I'm 2-1 for bigs and 0-9 for guards/wings (guards obviously matter much more).

lmao when it rains it pours. it's a really helpless feeling when you're on one of these streaks and darn near impossible to win at the highest levels until your luck turns around. when coupled with some bad EE rolls, one is liable to question what they're being punished for

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/27/2023 9:46:00 PM (view original):
I hate people at B/B+ who take 3 walk-ons every year and throw cash at 5 stars, endlessly getting in 30-40% rolls without even setting up legitimate backup options. Like its impossible to battle these people since I can't even attack any of their other recruits (they are D2 level players)

That being said I try to take 2/3 walk-ons myself every year at B so don't hate the player, hate the game lol

Also check out the streak I'm on its totally ridiculous:

(A+ Kansas) 44% loss. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams. Player is currently JR on #159 RPI team
(A+ Kansas) 45% loss. Player is SO and set to miss NT in back-to-back years
(A+ Kansas) 24% loss
(B- Wyoming) 53% loss--program changing player
(B- Wyoming) 62% loss--program changing player
(C Oregon) 58% loss
(A+ Kansas) 55% win
(A+ Kansas) 58% win
(B Wyoming) 35% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 44% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 39% loss--program changing player. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams
(A+ Kansas) 69% loss (all in and wants success preference against a team set to miss PI)

So 2-10 and the expected record is 6-6.

2-4 as the favorite and 0-6 as the underdog.

To make it even better I'm 2-1 for bigs and 0-9 for guards/wings (guards obviously matter much more).

Slowdown is OP, I've been saying this for years and years, as you know. There are no negative consequences to choosing slowdown, unless you consider a tiny chance of running out of possessions against a weaker opponent if you are having an unlucky day a real consequence rather than chalk it up to the sim's random lucky-day draw. Meanwhile, choosing uptempo is a mine field for 97% of teams, and even the teams that are built specifically for it have negative consequences (more turnovers, lower FG%) when running uptempo, even if they never have anything but green dots in the pbp. So balancing tempo would go a long way to changing user behavior. Teams wouldn't be able to get away with 9 man rosters against solid uptempo teams at full depth.

But they're not going to change that, because they get the impression - probably correctly - that most players are too nervous about losing recruiting rolls for elite players, and want to keep their slowdown crutch. As you say yourself cub, the method irritates you, and you do it yourself. So on and on we will go.

At the end of the day, this is much more an economic behavioral sim than a college basketball sim, and this part of the discussion is a good example. I am sure it was designed that way, and in every sale has probably been sold as such.

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/27/2023 9:46:00 PM (view original):
I hate people at B/B+ who take 3 walk-ons every year and throw cash at 5 stars, endlessly getting in 30-40% rolls without even setting up legitimate backup options. Like its impossible to battle these people since I can't even attack any of their other recruits (they are D2 level players)

That being said I try to take 2/3 walk-ons myself every year at B so don't hate the player, hate the game lol

Also check out the streak I'm on its totally ridiculous:

(A+ Kansas) 44% loss. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams. Player is currently JR on #159 RPI team
(A+ Kansas) 45% loss. Player is SO and set to miss NT in back-to-back years
(A+ Kansas) 24% loss
(B- Wyoming) 53% loss--program changing player
(B- Wyoming) 62% loss--program changing player
(C Oregon) 58% loss
(A+ Kansas) 55% win
(A+ Kansas) 58% win
(B Wyoming) 35% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 44% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 39% loss--program changing player. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams
(A+ Kansas) 69% loss (all in and wants success preference against a team set to miss PI)

So 2-10 and the expected record is 6-6.

2-4 as the favorite and 0-6 as the underdog.

To make it even better I'm 2-1 for bigs and 0-9 for guards/wings (guards obviously matter much more).

I am curious how you know you know "WE" don't have backup options. And to be fully transparent. I am this guy. I get into as many rolls as I can. I do search for backups, transfers, and low ranked High potential guys.

Posted by Fregoe on 7/5/2023 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/27/2023 9:46:00 PM (view original):
I hate people at B/B+ who take 3 walk-ons every year and throw cash at 5 stars, endlessly getting in 30-40% rolls without even setting up legitimate backup options. Like its impossible to battle these people since I can't even attack any of their other recruits (they are D2 level players)

That being said I try to take 2/3 walk-ons myself every year at B so don't hate the player, hate the game lol

Also check out the streak I'm on its totally ridiculous:

(A+ Kansas) 44% loss. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams. Player is currently JR on #159 RPI team
(A+ Kansas) 45% loss. Player is SO and set to miss NT in back-to-back years
(A+ Kansas) 24% loss
(B- Wyoming) 53% loss--program changing player
(B- Wyoming) 62% loss--program changing player
(C Oregon) 58% loss
(A+ Kansas) 55% win
(A+ Kansas) 58% win
(B Wyoming) 35% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 44% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 39% loss--program changing player. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams
(A+ Kansas) 69% loss (all in and wants success preference against a team set to miss PI)

So 2-10 and the expected record is 6-6.

2-4 as the favorite and 0-6 as the underdog.

To make it even better I'm 2-1 for bigs and 0-9 for guards/wings (guards obviously matter much more).

I am curious how you know you know "WE" don't have backup options. And to be fully transparent. I am this guy. I get into as many rolls as I can. I do search for backups, transfers, and low ranked High potential guys.

I won't act like I know what any other coach is doing in recruiting with 100% confidence but I can make really safe assumptions. I'm rarely caught off guard in recruiting and can make calls with some level of certainty. When I felt I took the next step in coaching, I started realizing "good coaches are aware of what THEY'RE doing in recruiting, great coaches are aware of what OTHERS are doing in recruiting".

As an example, when I put effort into the game, I'm aware of nearly everyone my competition is on within 500 miles + internationally (I say nearly since, again, I can't say it with certainty since they could be in like Hawaii for all I know). Everyone has a finite amount of openings, AP, and money - it's not too hard to find everyone and their backups. Scout around them (typically this is done already if you're recruiting against someone since they're likely near the recruit too), go through all the players tabs scouted and go through considering list (I know this sounds time consuming but I can do it in sub 5 minutes - only do it every few cycles), and make a quick note of it on the player's page. You can make assumptions on how much the team has put into the player, like promises made or effort invested, by looking at other teams on the considering list too (i.e. if you have two teams at VH, one at low, one at VL with all scholarships offered, you can kinda assume the two VH teams put in money at this point, the low likely offered promises, and the VL is done or hasn't put in anything).

Separate note: For new or more middle of the road players who may be reading this and considering fighting for a bunch of high rolls, I'd strongly advise against it. Instead, I'd look at or reach out to the top coaches and see what they do or think. I don't know a single top coach who wouldn't prefer the better odd but I'd be willing to listen. The biggest reason being that higher odds likely does have higher odds (despite the only thing we hear being how you lose as the favorite since that sticks with us more). At the end of the day, many coaches not knowing how recruiting works is a bigger issue. When I wanted to work on it a bit more, I made a makeshift calculator in excel that gave me odds within like 2-5%. Without understanding how it works, most coaches are going to try to get to high but risk getting 100/0 (You only get a roll if you get to ~20%) which I've seen plenty.

Posted by Fregoe on 7/5/2023 3:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 6/27/2023 9:46:00 PM (view original):
I hate people at B/B+ who take 3 walk-ons every year and throw cash at 5 stars, endlessly getting in 30-40% rolls without even setting up legitimate backup options. Like its impossible to battle these people since I can't even attack any of their other recruits (they are D2 level players)

That being said I try to take 2/3 walk-ons myself every year at B so don't hate the player, hate the game lol

Also check out the streak I'm on its totally ridiculous:

(A+ Kansas) 44% loss. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams. Player is currently JR on #159 RPI team
(A+ Kansas) 45% loss. Player is SO and set to miss NT in back-to-back years
(A+ Kansas) 24% loss
(B- Wyoming) 53% loss--program changing player
(B- Wyoming) 62% loss--program changing player
(C Oregon) 58% loss
(A+ Kansas) 55% win
(A+ Kansas) 58% win
(B Wyoming) 35% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 44% loss--program changing player
(B Oregon) 39% loss--program changing player. Had highest odds to land player of 3 teams
(A+ Kansas) 69% loss (all in and wants success preference against a team set to miss PI)

So 2-10 and the expected record is 6-6.

2-4 as the favorite and 0-6 as the underdog.

To make it even better I'm 2-1 for bigs and 0-9 for guards/wings (guards obviously matter much more).

I am curious how you know you know "WE" don't have backup options. And to be fully transparent. I am this guy. I get into as many rolls as I can. I do search for backups, transfers, and low ranked High potential guys.

It's really important to be aware of what all the teams you're battling with are doing on other guys so you can guess the effort they are putting in, but it's especially important if you feel someone is breaching a line you don't want them to cross in the future.

If you're an A/A+ team and a B/B+ prestige team comes onto your territory (your home state and maybe another small nearby one you try to control) that's certainly grounds for a counterstrike onto some solid recruit they are on alone. It isn't hard to find these guys, just 2-3 minutes of ctrl+F on the recruit pool search page.

The problem I've been experiencing recently is a team has 2 SRs and 3 walkons and rolls for 2 5-stars, they are maybe on one/two other players that would be a mid-tier recruit for a D2 team. It's a loss for them as they take a lot of walkons, 5-stars, and D2-level players and they still miss the NT . And it's a loss for me since I lose 5-stars to them and can't put effort on their backup options since they are terrible!

I want to be clear I don't mean to diss these people as coaches since I behave in a very similar way at B prestige (tons of walkons, get in tons of rolls for elite recruits, SR redshirt heavily, and take a year off from trying to compete if needed) although I try to at least sign acceptable D1 backups instead of truly terrible guys.

Just lost one 60-20-20. Gotta love this game.

Posted by jcee1281 on 7/7/2023 7:55:00 AM (view original):
Just lost one 60-20-20. Gotta love this game.

I try to avoid 3-way battles at all cost. Like I'll completely bail while the presumed favorite if I haven't invested money. With my LSU team, I've had 4 3-way battles in the past 4 seasons (more than maybe the previous 20 seasons combined) and lost all as the favorite. All 4 times, two B12 teams pushed at the exact same time and, I'm guessing, assumed the other would back off in their pursuit.. or didn't realize they were colliding at all. It's just unlucky that I didn't win them but

In a 3-way battle, you can lose 60-20-20 but it's essentially just a lost 60-40.. it doesn't sting as bad to lose a 60-40 and it's the same exact odds in your favor. You can be a favorite and have about 40% for goodness sake lol.. so the favorite but not even likely to get the recruit. Hate when 3-way battles go down.

Posted by upsetcity on 7/7/2023 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jcee1281 on 7/7/2023 7:55:00 AM (view original):
Just lost one 60-20-20. Gotta love this game.

I try to avoid 3-way battles at all cost. Like I'll completely bail while the presumed favorite if I haven't invested money. With my LSU team, I've had 4 3-way battles in the past 4 seasons (more than maybe the previous 20 seasons combined) and lost all as the favorite. All 4 times, two B12 teams pushed at the exact same time and, I'm guessing, assumed the other would back off in their pursuit.. or didn't realize they were colliding at all. It's just unlucky that I didn't win them but

In a 3-way battle, you can lose 60-20-20 but it's essentially just a lost 60-40.. it doesn't sting as bad to lose a 60-40 and it's the same exact odds in your favor. You can be a favorite and have about 40% for goodness sake lol.. so the favorite but not even likely to get the recruit. Hate when 3-way battles go down.

It really was stupid to set up the system to pull from both teams equally when 3rd and 4th teams come in to battles. Leaders should mostly retain their signing lead - so in this case, jcee1281 should have kept roughly 80-10-10 odds, instead of getting dragged down just because a 3rd team jumped in. Pulling from both teams equally was a terrible mistake, and has led to a lot of angst, and I really can't believe it hasn't been fixed yet.

This was a tough one for me to stomach..

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/RecruitProfile/Ratings.aspx?rid=6044663

Lost a 74% dice roll on a player who would have complimented my squad greatly.

I hate 3 way battles and I am never the third person who joins, trust me.

Team +G85+A1:I85+A1+A1:I85	Year	Player	Fav	Dog	Winner	winning team
Coppin St	188	Glenn Miligan	62	38	Underdog	Coppin
Drake	168	Jan Threlkeld	57	43	undergod	Missouri
Wyoming	169	Thomas Mathis	74	26	Underdog	Air Force
Miss V St	134	Jason Morejon	63	37	undergod	Miss V St
Coppin St	189	Shawn Smith	49	30	underdog	Morgan St
Coppin St	189	Jay Barrett	58	42	underdog	Coppin St
Miss V St	135	Jason Morejon	63	37	Underdog	Miss St
Clemson	132	Richard Lebel	74	26	Fav	Indiana
Boise St	129	Douglas Vogel	69	31	Fav	Gonzaga
Wyoming	170	Tim Ward	75	25	Fav	Gonzaga
Wyoming	170	JR Nagata	69	31	Fav	Iowa St
Lamar	135	Fred McCullough	76	24	Fav	Lamar
Drake	170	Ahmad Whitehill	71	29	Fav	Drake
Drake	170	Zach Parks	55	23	Fav	Illinois
Drake	170	Roy Jones	48	17	Underdog	ND
Clemson	133	Craig Bryant	51	49	Fav	Vandy
Drake	170	Ruben Mullins	38	12	Fav	Missouri	5 WAY ROLL
Miss V St	135	Daniel Puckett	66	34	Fav	Alcorn st
Miss V St	135	eric Hemphill	72	27	fav	Drake
Coppin St	191	j Cambell	57	23	fav	Pitt	3 Way
Miss Valley St	135	Brandon Randolph	53	47	Undedog	G Tech
Miss Valley St	135	Bryant Wetzstein	74	26	underdog	Tenn Martin
Miss Valley St	135	John Park	59	20	Fav	Aub
Prarie View	134	James Phillips	53	47	Underdog	Florida St
Coppin St	192	Michael Larose	68	32	Underdog	Coppin St
Coppin St	192	Thad Evans	72	28	Underdog	Clev St
Drake	172	William Chilton	53	18	Fav	Hou	3 way
Clemson	134	Bryan Lacy	57	43	Underdog	Clemson
Clemson	134	Michael Williams	51	19	undergod	Clemson	3 way
Prarie View	135	Hults	72	28	underdog	Houston
Miss V State	136	Tyler Smith	55	45	underdog	Ark Pine B
Prarie View	135	Kerry Phillippi	68	32	Fav	Prarie View
Lamar	137	James Mingus	59	41	underdog	PrarieView
Coppin St	193	Elmer Redden	61	39	underdog	wagner
Coppin St	193	Micahel Dillard	54	46	unerdog	Coppin St
West Virginia	137	Mathew Gilchrist	52	48	underdog	West Virginia
Texas SA	173	Roy Samons	57	43	Underdog	Oklahoma
Texas SA	173	John Baehr	48	20	Fav	Oklahoma	3 way
Texas SA	173	James Vaetch	51	49	Fav	New Mexico
Coppin St	193	James Knight	50	20	Fav	Maryland	3 way
Lamar	137	Edward Fecteau	74	26	Fav	Oklahoma St
West Virginia	137	Dennis Dixon	51	20	Underdog	West Virginia
Texas SA	174	Norman Pack	74	26	Fav	Texas SA
Drake	174	Mike Harris	74	26	underdog	Drake
Drake	174	Jack Roth	49	51	Underdog	Drake
Coppin St	193	Earnst Shiffer	52	19	fav	Maryland	3 way
Gonzaga	136	Tony Corp	67	33	fav	AZ St
Bucknell	138	George Dingus	42	19	underdog	Bucknell	19% 3 way
Texas SA	175	Stacy Champion	56	44	fav	Texas SA
West Virginia	138	John Hairston	63	37	Fav	Providence
Drake	175	William Hudson	56	44	underdog	Creghton
Coppin St	195	Don Baltes	59	41	underdog	Columbia
Drake	175	Jeffrey Rush	70	30	underdog	Drake
Boise St	133	William Griffin	52	48	underdog	Idaho
Bucknell	139	Mark Ramsey	69	31	underdog	Bucknell
Texas SA	176	Kurtis Hoover	48	16	Fav	Ok St
Gonzaga	137	Troy Craig	56	44	Fav	AZ St
Virginia Tech	176	James Freeman	42	17	Underdog VT		4 way with last place winning
Drake	176	Jonathan Jackson	75	25	Underdog	Drake
Lamar	139	Todd Davis	62	38	underdog	Texas Tech
Lamar	139	Miquel Hernandez	79	21	underdog	Lamar
Clemson		Willaim Taylot	39	23	Favorite	Vandy
Lehigh	139	Earl Strong	70	30	undergod	Lehigh
Boise St	134	Aurthur Reasor	39	13	underdog	Loyola	4 way won by the last place
Coppin St		Larry Bowen	42	19	Fav	Bucknll	3 way
Lehigh	139	James Nicholson	34	20	Underdog	BC	4 way
Lehigh		allen Cox	32	12	underdog	Clev st	4 way
Virginia Tech		Michael Hord	60	40	Fav	Wake
Clemson	138	Jery Collins	39	25	Fav	Virginia	3 way
Baylor	140	Jerry Pettway	59	41	Underdog	G Tech
Baylor	140	Dustin McEntyre	68	32	FAV	L State
Baylor	140	Michael Larocca	55	45	Fav	Nebraska
Coppin St	198	Ben Thomason	57	43	Underdog	Morgan State
Clemson	138	Chares Perera	62	38	Fav	V Tech
Lehigh	140	George Frias	74	26	underdog	Lehigh
Clemson	138	Gary Arnette	48	23	fav	Clark Atl D2	3-way
Lehigh	140	James Wild	67	33	fav	Rhode Island
Drake	179	James Spade	58	42	Fav	Purdue
Gonzaga	139	Antonio Mills	51	20	underdog	Oregon St	3-way
Bucknell	141	larry Boyle	66	33	Underdod	Bucknell
Baylor	141	Edward Holland	58	42	Underdog	Baylor
Baylor	141	Elbert Williams	43	22	Fav	Baylor	3-way
Baylor	141	Anthony Kelly	40	21	underdog	Texas SM	3way winner was 21%
Drake	179	Owne Doyle	60	40	Fav	Valpo
Bucknell	141	Nhenry Ducete	X	X	und	DII team	percentages
West Virginia	141	Silas Merz	74	26	Fav	West Virgina
Vermont	180	Earl Nau	65	35	underdog	Vermont
Clemson	139	Michael Olson	67	33	underdog	clemsom
Vermont	180	Jon Regnier	74	26	Fav	St Joes
Virginia Tech	181	edward Hudson	62	38	underdog	Virginia Tech
SD St	136	Roy Kriebel	44	18	fav	Stanford	3 way
SD St	136	Felipe Gonzales	50	50	even	SD St
SD St	136	John Smathers	54	46	fav	Ariz St
Sd St	136	George Inman	57	43	Fav	SD St
Bucknell	142	Michael williams	55	19	fav	Bucknelll	3 way
Virginia Tech	181	Abraham Lucero	59	41	underdog	Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech	181	John Lesperance	66	34	fav	Virginia Tech
West Virginia	142	Edwin English	41	25	Fav	West Virginia	3 way
West Virginia	142	Brandon Palombo	31	18	underdog	West Virginia	lowest of the 4 won

This recruit has signed with West Virginia Ratings
Georgetown Benjaminsmac DI B Very High Yes 23%
Pittsburgh jdoogie1 DI A- Very High Yes 28%
Virginia brantm217 DI B+ Very High Yes 31%
West Virginia Fregoe DI B- High Yes 18%

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/9/2023 4:33:00 PM (view original):
I hate 3 way battles and I am never the third person who joins, trust me.

Joining a two way to make it a three way is like shooting yourself in the foot but also shooting the other coaches in their foot. Everyone’s foot is shot.