Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:30:00 AM (view original):
You don't care about freedoms because you have them and take them for granted. Talk to people who don't have the freedoms that we have and see what kind of response you get. We way too often take our freedoms for granted.

I am clearly not talking about bill of rights or an authoritarian regime.

I don't think microaggressions of freedom are that important.

On this issue, my logic is, 'Pile up the dead bodies that we could have kept alive, whichever plan has the least dead bodies wins.'

I'm not sure I know how to respond to this. It doesn't have much substance. I'll try. When a country becomes dictatorial, tyrannical, and authoritarian it doesn't happen overnight. The freedoms slowly erode until you end up with a very, very bad situation.

Healthcare for all is very important, but it's not as simple as "taking the plan with the fewest dead bodies." There are many factors that come into play.

Also, remember that no one is denied healthcare in our country with or without insurance. All to often, health insurance and health care are seen as one and the same when they're not.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/8/2019 11:39:00 AM (view original):
I hate being a conspiracy guy, but I strongly believe that the teams have agreed to some form of collusion. Either it’s dont spend over X% of renevue or don’t sign players for more than X average annual value for more than Y years.

I have no actual evidence to back up this opinion. But I also know that people smarter, more connected, and with a better view of MLB operations than me hold the same belief.

This would be interesting to follow. I know a few former GM's well enough to ask. I may inquire. I'm not positive that they would be honest with me, but it's worth a shot.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:30:00 AM (view original):
You don't care about freedoms because you have them and take them for granted. Talk to people who don't have the freedoms that we have and see what kind of response you get. We way too often take our freedoms for granted.

I am clearly not talking about bill of rights or an authoritarian regime.

I don't think microaggressions of freedom are that important.

On this issue, my logic is, 'Pile up the dead bodies that we could have kept alive, whichever plan has the least dead bodies wins.'

I'm not sure I know how to respond to this. It doesn't have much substance. I'll try. When a country becomes dictatorial, tyrannical, and authoritarian it doesn't happen overnight. The freedoms slowly erode until you end up with a very, very bad situation.

Healthcare for all is very important, but it's not as simple as "taking the plan with the fewest dead bodies." There are many factors that come into play.

Also, remember that no one is denied healthcare in our country with or without insurance. All to often, health insurance and health care are seen as one and the same when they're not.

This is flatly untrue. If you get cancer and don’t have insurance or tons of money. You are **** out of luck. Unless a charity hooks you up or a hospital decides to treat you for free, you die.

We’re the only developed country in the world where this is the case.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:30:00 AM (view original):
You don't care about freedoms because you have them and take them for granted. Talk to people who don't have the freedoms that we have and see what kind of response you get. We way too often take our freedoms for granted.

I am clearly not talking about bill of rights or an authoritarian regime.

I don't think microaggressions of freedom are that important.

On this issue, my logic is, 'Pile up the dead bodies that we could have kept alive, whichever plan has the least dead bodies wins.'

I'm not sure I know how to respond to this. It doesn't have much substance. I'll try. When a country becomes dictatorial, tyrannical, and authoritarian it doesn't happen overnight. The freedoms slowly erode until you end up with a very, very bad situation.

Healthcare for all is very important, but it's not as simple as "taking the plan with the fewest dead bodies." There are many factors that come into play.

Also, remember that no one is denied healthcare in our country with or without insurance. All to often, health insurance and health care are seen as one and the same when they're not.

You are making a slippery slope argument. I hate slippery slope arguments. I don't think that better healthcare means that we are more vulnerable to a dictatorship. If anything, it's the opposite. The US institutions are stronger than that. Also you were the same person who said that Trump wasn't destroying institutions, correct?

Posted by bad_luck on 2/8/2019 11:45:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:30:00 AM (view original):
You don't care about freedoms because you have them and take them for granted. Talk to people who don't have the freedoms that we have and see what kind of response you get. We way too often take our freedoms for granted.

I am clearly not talking about bill of rights or an authoritarian regime.

I don't think microaggressions of freedom are that important.

On this issue, my logic is, 'Pile up the dead bodies that we could have kept alive, whichever plan has the least dead bodies wins.'

I'm not sure I know how to respond to this. It doesn't have much substance. I'll try. When a country becomes dictatorial, tyrannical, and authoritarian it doesn't happen overnight. The freedoms slowly erode until you end up with a very, very bad situation.

Healthcare for all is very important, but it's not as simple as "taking the plan with the fewest dead bodies." There are many factors that come into play.

Also, remember that no one is denied healthcare in our country with or without insurance. All to often, health insurance and health care are seen as one and the same when they're not.

This is flatly untrue. If you get cancer and don’t have insurance or tons of money. You are **** out of luck. Unless a charity hooks you up or a hospital decides to treat you for free, you die.

We’re the only developed country in the world where this is the case.

There is nothing untrue about what I said. I've already mentioned life saving treatments and medications in prior posts. I understand that something needs to be done so that the poor have access to these. I will assume that you haven't went back and read all of the prior posts, which is fine but I had already addressed that.

The idea that no one is denied healthcare here is completely untrue. Dude just died from type 1 diabetes recently because he didn’t have insurance, couldn’t afford insulin, and tried to ration what he had.

Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/8/2019 11:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:30:00 AM (view original):
You don't care about freedoms because you have them and take them for granted. Talk to people who don't have the freedoms that we have and see what kind of response you get. We way too often take our freedoms for granted.

I am clearly not talking about bill of rights or an authoritarian regime.

I don't think microaggressions of freedom are that important.

On this issue, my logic is, 'Pile up the dead bodies that we could have kept alive, whichever plan has the least dead bodies wins.'

I'm not sure I know how to respond to this. It doesn't have much substance. I'll try. When a country becomes dictatorial, tyrannical, and authoritarian it doesn't happen overnight. The freedoms slowly erode until you end up with a very, very bad situation.

Healthcare for all is very important, but it's not as simple as "taking the plan with the fewest dead bodies." There are many factors that come into play.

Also, remember that no one is denied healthcare in our country with or without insurance. All to often, health insurance and health care are seen as one and the same when they're not.

You are making a slippery slope argument. I hate slippery slope arguments. I don't think that better healthcare means that we are more vulnerable to a dictatorship. If anything, it's the opposite. The US institutions are stronger than that. Also you were the same person who said that Trump wasn't destroying institutions, correct?

It's not a slippery slope argument at all. I'm saying that we need healthcare reform that takes care in preserving freedoms and liberty while still providing necessary treatments for the poor. Obamacare did not do this.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/8/2019 11:53:00 AM (view original):
The idea that no one is denied healthcare here is completely untrue. Dude just died from type 1 diabetes recently because he didn’t have insurance, couldn’t afford insulin, and tried to ration what he had.

If he would have went to the emergency room, they would have had to treat him by law. I understand what you're saying and I agree that somehow medications and treatments need to become more affordable, but the guy with diabetes would have been treated at an ER.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 2/8/2019 11:53:00 AM (view original):
The idea that no one is denied healthcare here is completely untrue. Dude just died from type 1 diabetes recently because he didn’t have insurance, couldn’t afford insulin, and tried to ration what he had.

If he would have went to the emergency room, they would have had to treat him by law. I understand what you're saying and I agree that somehow medications and treatments need to become more affordable, but the guy with diabetes would have been treated at an ER.

They would not have had to supply him with insulin to get through the month. They can only treat him in an emergency.

I feel like we are both in agreement here to an extent, we're just using different language to convey it. Once again, something needs to be done to make life-saving medications more affordable, but no one is denied treatment at the ER.

The guy in your example could have went to the ER every single day and they would have had to treat him every single day. We both agree that is a ridiculous notion and that a better solution is to make the medications more affordable, but no one is denied health care in America.

Posted by all3 on 2/8/2019 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Since Healthcare-providers accept such a low (<50) % of payment from Insurance companies, why then won't they accept that same payment from the unInsured? Every procedure should cost the same for every patient. Mandating that would be a quick, simple 1st step.

Damn straight this!! Mark it down, me and all3 in agreement, bigtime. lol

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/8/2019 12:04:00 PM (view original):
I feel like we are both in agreement here to an extent, we're just using different language to convey it. Once again, something needs to be done to make life-saving medications more affordable, but no one is denied treatment at the ER.

The guy in your example could have went to the ER every single day and they would have had to treat him every single day. We both agree that is a ridiculous notion and that a better solution is to make the medications more affordable, but no one is denied health care in America.

If you’re just going to completely deny reality, there’s no point in continuing this. People die in America from lack of access to heath care. This is a fact. They don’t give you chemo at the ER.

"I use Botox and Laser eye surgery as examples. Both were very expensive and then more and more doctors got into it and now the prices are very affordable. Why? Neither is covered by insurance and capitalism works."

So, does the poster of this idea understand that (for almost everybody) his idea would be just like the Dental Care delivery plan.
Pay as you go!

Do I get to trade in a few laying hens for my next heart procedure?

The idea is laughable and kinda nuts!

Posted by laramiebob on 2/8/2019 12:11:00 PM (view original):
"I use Botox and Laser eye surgery as examples. Both were very expensive and then more and more doctors got into it and now the prices are very affordable. Why? Neither is covered by insurance and capitalism works."

So, does the poster of this idea understand that (for almost everybody) his idea would be just like the Dental Care delivery plan.
Pay as you go!

Do I get to trade in a few laying hens for my next heart procedure?

The idea is laughable and kinda nuts!

Nope I like it. You get insurance for issues like cancer but for sprained ankles you pay out of pocket. Insurance should be for catastrophic issues not for a bruised pinky. I ask You nicely to be civil, Bob.

Posted by bad_luck on 2/8/2019 11:53:00 AM (view original):
The idea that no one is denied healthcare here is completely untrue. Dude just died from type 1 diabetes recently because he didn’t have insurance, couldn’t afford insulin, and tried to ration what he had.

Why didn’t he have insurance or Medicaid? What is the whole story?