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SEbLE-listed below are YOUR quotes, why did you feel the need to lie to me and others about pos eff not being changed?



Quote: Originally posted by hurley711 on 8/25/2008




Man it must have so hard to find the time during those last 4-6 weeks to make MJ 100% at PG for 1 season...............





YOUR response in another thread was---

"Position effectiveness was not part of this release and we're currently pretty happy with it and don't have any immediate plans to make changes."

Above is your first quote when I asked why MJ wasnt changed.......and below less than 2 days later you say this when I asked why Rodman was changed from 100% SF eff to 91% in the new release where you JUST said no changes were made----

"We did adjust some listed positions that we felt were wrong. So he was likely only 100% at SF because he was listed there. Once he was no longer listed there, his true effectiveness shows up."



Got lies? Let me see you weasle out of this lie.
8/27/2008 7:48 PM
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The star players salaries seem closer to what they were, which is a positive for me. I tried looking for specific players, part seasons, but very difficult to find them by scrolling through the hundreds of em since they are ranked by decreasing salaries, have to guess where they might be. One very odd thing i noticed is the part season 69-70 Wilt that went from 1 552 133 with a 100 def rating to 1 161 279 on the previous spreadsheet to way up at 1 794 832 while his D is down at 75, on this latest spreadsheet. Hard to follow...

Anyhow it's looking much better than it was, now we'll have to see how it works out when it's released.

BTW Seble, did you make changes on the O range ratings itself or you just added the shot% feature?
8/27/2008 7:49 PM
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Hurley, your attitude is starting to be a problem for me. You obviously didn't read my explanation directly below your post and then proceeded to attack me, not only in this thread, but the other as well. This after I conceded to making manual changes to the effectiveness.
8/27/2008 7:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bball_jones on 8/27/2008The star players salaries seem closer to what they were, which is a positive for me. I tried looking for specific players, part seasons, but very difficult to find them by scrolling through the hundreds of em since they are ranked by decreasing salaries, have to guess where they might be. One very odd thing i noticed is the part season 69-70 Wilt that went from 1 552 133 with a 100 def rating to 1 161 279 on the previous spreadsheet to way up at 1 794 832 while his D is down at 75, on this latest spreadsheet. Hard to follow...Anyhow it's looking much better than it was, now we'll have to see how it works out when it's released.BTW Seble, did you make changes on the O range ratings itself or you just added the shot% feature?
The offensive ranges will go away completely once the shot% numbers are out.
8/27/2008 7:54 PM
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hurley, what the hell is the problem???

You ask for something, you get it, and you're still complaining??!!

Because he said he couldn't do it, but then did it because you insisted since you had a valid argument??!!

Now you call him out as a liar???

WTF??? Chill man!
8/27/2008 7:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/27/2008Hurley, your attitude is starting to be a problem for me. You obviously didn't read my explanation directly below your post and then proceeded to attack me, not only in this thread, but the other as well. This after I conceded to making manual changes to the effectiveness
"Position effectiveness was not part of this release and we're currently pretty happy with it and don't have any immediate plans to make changes."



Your quote not mine.
8/27/2008 7:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By seble on 8/27/2008
Quote: Originally posted by bball_jones on 8/27/2008
The star players salaries seem closer to what they were, which is a positive for me. I tried looking for specific players, part seasons, but very difficult to find them by scrolling through the hundreds of em since they are ranked by decreasing salaries, have to guess where they might be. One very odd thing i noticed is the part season 69-70 Wilt that went from 1 552 133 with a 100 def rating to 1 161 279 on the previous spreadsheet to way up at 1 794 832 while his D is down at 75, on this latest spreadsheet. Hard to follow...

Anyhow it's looking much better than it was, now we'll have to see how it works out when it's released.

BTW Seble, did you make changes on the O range ratings itself or you just added the shot% feature?
The offensive ranges will go away completely once the shot% numbers are out
sounds great, thanx

8/27/2008 7:58 PM
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Just to put some numbers on it...718 sals went up out of 17902, 16412 went down, the rest stayed the same.
8/27/2008 8:00 PM
hurley711
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Quote: Originally Posted By bball_jones on 8/27/2008

hurley, what the hell is the problem???

You ask for something, you get it, and you're still complaining??!!

Because he said he couldn't do it, but then did it because you insisted since you had a valid argument??!!

Now you call him out as a liar???

WTF??? Chill man!

Not the first time he has used double talk, liar liar pants on fire , and BTW I didn't ask for Rodman to be changed from a SF to a PF when he was the starting SF for that team.
8/27/2008 8:00 PM
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This is probably just wishful thinking, but I wish D ratings would just go away and let a guy's defensive stats equate how good of a defender they are...they get more nonsensical with each release...Wiltzilla a 73 DEF rating...that's a joke to me.

I would like to pull back some statements and overall say bravo to the changes...the o ranges look a ton better, but I'm not entirely sure how they're going to shake out in the sim...how much will they matter...that I don't know. A lot of the sals went down which is good, but like I said, the D ratings still need work...I'd rather see them disappear.
8/27/2008 8:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hurley711 on 8/27/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By bball_jones on 8/27/2008

hurley, what the hell is the problem???

You ask for something, you get it, and you're still complaining??!!

Because he said he couldn't do it, but then did it because you insisted since you had a valid argument??!!

Now you call him out as a liar???

WTF??? Chill man!

Not the first time he has used double talk, liar liar pants on fire , and BTW I didn't ask for Rodman to be changed from a SF to a PF when he was the starting SF for that team
hurley are you drunk again?
8/27/2008 8:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 8/27/2008
This is probably just wishful thinking, but I wish D ratings would just go away and let a guy's defensive stats equate how good of a defender they are...they get more nonsensical with each release...Wiltzilla a 73 DEF rating...that's a joke to me.

I would like to pull back some statements and overall say bravo to the changes...the o ranges look a ton better, but I'm not entirely sure how they're going to shake out in the sim...how much will they matter...that I don't know. A lot of the sals went down which is good, but like I said, the D ratings still need work...I'd rather see them disappear.



I dont think they can do away with d ratings - d stats are not necessarily good indicators of strong defensive play plus those stats already function as modifiers to certain situational equations
8/27/2008 8:20 PM
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Seble, are the shot % going to represent how likely someone is to shoot from an area, or how likely they are to succeed from an area?

Also, I may be remembering wrong, but wasn't there an allstar game played in the sim... waaaaaay back like '01/'02??
8/27/2008 9:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By monkee on 8/27/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 8/27/2008

This is probably just wishful thinking, but I wish D ratings would just go away and let a guy's defensive stats equate how good of a defender they are...they get more nonsensical with each release...Wiltzilla a 73 DEF rating...that's a joke to me.




I dont think they can do away with d ratings - d stats are not necessarily good indicators of strong defensive play plus those stats already function as modifiers to certain situational equations
Unfortunately I agree with you both. The defensive ratings are likely to always be controversial (Strat-O-Matic uses a vastly simpler 1-5 system and people argue about them), but if you don't have some similar kind of algorithm then the impact of a lot of players - from Bruce Bowen to Dikembe Mutombo - just won't be represented in the sim because it can never be adequately captured by real-life stats. I suspect the best WIS can do is continue to evolve the current system, letting the whiz-bang algorithm be subjected every now and then (but not too much) to the squeaky wheels on this board.
8/27/2008 9:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bball_jones on 8/27/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By hurley711 on 8/27/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By bball_jones on 8/27/2008

hurley, what the hell is the problem???

You ask for something, you get it, and you're still complaining??!!

Because he said he couldn't do it, but then did it because you insisted since you had a valid argument??!!

Now you call him out as a liar???

WTF??? Chill man!

Not the first time he has used double talk, liar liar pants on fire , and BTW I didn't ask for Rodman to be changed from a SF to a PF when he was the starting SF for that team.
hurley are you drunk again
I plead the 5th
8/27/2008 9:45 PM
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