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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 7/20/2009Short answer:  Yes, some owners don't give a damn about recommended SS defense.  They aren't going to draft, sign and develop players who never hit .250 or more.   And those worlds will have less and less qualified SS as a result.


This is the point that swamp needs to read 10 times before posting again. Just because you can't find the defensive SS in your league doesn't mean they were never created....
7/20/2009 10:22 PM
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In the No Quitters S12 draft, I saw 6 shortstops projected to be above recs in all 4 categories and another who projects to 81/82/87/87 which I would certainly call a capable defensive shortstop as well. And that is only college players as my high school scouting is 0. Also, there have been two internationals signed so far that should be wind up above recs. I'm going to assume there would be at least 4 high school guys in the draft who project to be better than recs and if you figure there should be a couple more internationals still to be signed, it seems that half of the league could have picked up a SS who at least meets, if not significantly exceeds, the defensive recs.

If all these guys were drafted and developed, there would be 100+ shortstops who meet the recs in 10 seasons.
7/20/2009 10:40 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 7/20/2009A few things have to happen to get good defensive SS:

1.  They have to be drafted.   And then signed.

True Dat. I make it a point to draft defensive short stops in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round. What else you going to get there? Others do to.

If you don't 40+ errors happen. Quit arguing Swamp about that piece of crap you put a short. And draft one.
7/21/2009 4:57 AM
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In Morgan we have 17 SS's who meet or exceed the SIM's recommended ratings in all 4 categories for SS's. That's not to mention about 10-15 others who meet the recs in 3 out of the 4 categories and are off by 1 or 2 in the other category.

swamp needs to stop whining and realize he dug himself into this hole. Trade for a defensive SS or quit.
7/21/2009 7:41 AM
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FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts
7/21/2009 1:03 PM
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Checked a couple more of my worlds to see how many SS met all recs.

MG has 38(S12 is in the playoffs)

Coop has 20(S11 just started)

HJ has 17(S12 is almost over)



HJ had a lot of turnover in the early years and still has enough above average SS for more than half the teams.
7/21/2009 1:30 PM
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Good point Green.
7/21/2009 1:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009
Checked a couple more of my worlds to see how many SS met all recs.

MG has 38(S12 is in the playoffs)

Coop has 20(S11 just started)

HJ has 17(S12 is almost over)



HJ had a lot of turnover in the early years and still has enough above average SS for more than half the teams.

Is that current ratings, or projected ratings?
7/21/2009 1:35 PM
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Current.
7/21/2009 2:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009FWIW:MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts


You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right?
7/21/2009 2:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/20/2009
My MG SS is 82/88/86/85. Just barely the recommended ratings. He made 20 errors in 158 games while fielding .977. RF of 5.77.



In MLB 2009, one SS with 50+ games played has a RF over 5. Andrus, 77 games, 5.36 RF.

9 SS, with 50+ GP, have .977+ fielding percentage.

How, again, is fielding "broken"?



7/21/2009 2:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tednash on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009
FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts


You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right
Are you suggesting that the SIM is actually assigning too few errors?

If you are, that's fantastic.

I can't wait to see the reaction!!!
7/21/2009 2:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tednash on 7/21/2009
Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009
FWIW:

MLB SS Fld % 2004-2008 = between .971 and .974

HBD-wide SS Fld % (MLB level) = .962

sooooo ... even with all the tankers in HBD who don't care who plays SS ... even with HBD owners knowingly playing non-SS at SS for extra offense ... even with the abandoned teams where a 1B plays SS because the AWOL guy didn't sign one ... even with the claimed (but of course not supported) dearth of SS talent in HBD ... HBD SSs make only 1 more error per 100 opportunities than their MLB counterparts


You say that like it is a good thing, but I think it means the sim is probably at least a little off at assigning errors. I would think that in the RL MLB, if about half the 1Bs got moved to SS for the added offense that .971 F% would go well below .962. Of course, that is just anecdotal, but their is a reason they don't play SS and it is because they would make more errors if they played there. Right
what the hell point are you trying to make?

7/21/2009 2:56 PM
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I think he's saying the HBD SS fielding percentage should be even lower than .962 because of all the 1B playing there.
7/21/2009 3:00 PM
98greenc5
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Quote: Originally Posted By kermit on 7/21/2009I think he's saying the HBD SS fielding percentage should be even lower than .962 because of all the 1B playing there
except, of course, that he has absolutely no idea how many 1B (if any) are playing there
7/21/2009 3:02 PM
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