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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/21/2009not taking sides really in this debate but this doesn't really hold water. an equal argument can be made that the error between HBD SSs and RL SSs is not in the way the engine runs or the lineup choices made by coaches but rather that the players are not generated with the right defensive capabilities across the board compared to RL. that's not a "forced issue" as you suggest but one that is fixed at implementation
this "equal" argument you think you can make is backed up by absolutely ZERO facts that can't be "equally" explained by owner decsion
7/21/2009 2:36 PM
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7/21/2009 2:45 PM
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In each of the past 5 seasons of MG, I've won more home games than road games (229 vs 219 cumulative)

7/21/2009 2:48 PM
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So we now have two examples, in the last 25 minutes, of owners who are more successful at home than the road.
7/21/2009 2:51 PM
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Yes, but I think we're looking for ALL teams to ALWAYS win more at home than on the road.
7/21/2009 2:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/21/2009
not taking sides really in this debate but this doesn't really hold water. an equal argument can be made that the error between HBD SSs and RL SSs is not in the way the engine runs or the lineup choices made by coaches but rather that the players are not generated with the right defensive capabilities across the board compared to RL. that's not a "forced issue" as you suggest but one that is fixed at implementation.
Slow day at work, so I took at look at the recently completed season in MG.

32 shortstops qualified with enough defensive innings played to be listed among the league leaders in fielding.

14 of those shortstops had defensive ratings at or above the HBD recommendations of 80/85/85/85. Combined, they had a cumulative fielding percentage of .978.

The other 18 shortstops, who were under the recs in one or more rating, had a cumulative fielding percentage of .966.

Overall fielding percentage for the 32 shortstops was .971.

Draw your own conclusions. But it seems pretty clear that HBD shortstops with defensive ratings above the recs outperform the MLB average, and HBD shortstops with defensive ratings below the recs underperform the MLB average.
7/21/2009 3:00 PM
iain
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Shocking.
7/21/2009 3:05 PM
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I believe Mr. Boogie is insinuating that there aren't ENOUGH QUALITY SS to populate the worlds.
7/21/2009 3:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/21/2009
So you want your HBD team to win 10% more home games just for showing up?


Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009
I believe Mr. Boogie is insinuating that there aren't ENOUGH QUALITY SS to populate the worlds.
Hmm, both exactly the same as swamp's arguments.
7/21/2009 3:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009
why wouldn't all owners just build teams suited to their road ballparks

And how, exactly, would one go about building a team "suited" to playing in multiple ballparks with wildly divergent park effects?



C'mon now. Swamp makes equally impossible arguments and some people swallow 'em. Why shouldn't swamp's disciples?

Quote: Originally Posted By jjboogie on 7/21/2009
an equal argument can be made that the error between HBD SSs and RL SSs is not in the way the engine runs or the lineup choices made by coaches but rather that the players are not generated with the right defensive capabilities across the board compared to RL.
See what I mean? Swamp's disciples can make every bit as unsupported an argument as he can. They're everywhere ...

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/21/2009
It's not a freebie either because you [earned it???]
7/21/2009 3:27 PM
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It should never be an issue of Freebie!

Freebie implys you are giving something to a coach. Home field advantage is part of the game. It was a glaring error leaving it out of the game.

The argument that you should build a team around your park is not relevant. Of course you want to try that. And the HFA reform should take that into account. It just makes sense that every sport in the world has a HFA not based on the park dimensions, why not baseball.

Home Field Advantage, GOOD FOR YOU...GOOD FOR ME...GOOD FOR HBD!!

PS maybe you are right about the caps
7/21/2009 4:06 PM
iain
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/21/2009
It should never be an issue of Freebie!

Freebie implys you are giving something to a coach. Home field advantage is part of the game. It was a glaring error leaving it out of the game.

The argument that you should build a team around your park is not relevant. Of course you want to try that. And the HFA reform should take that into account. It just makes sense that every sport in the world has a HFA not based on the park dimensions, why not baseball.

Home Field Advantage, GOOD FOR YOU...GOOD FOR ME...GOOD FOR HBD!!

PS maybe you are right about the caps

The question that begs to be asked: WHY?????

Exactly what does this gain? Do you really get enjoyment from knowing you'll win more games at home than on the road, regardless of how you construct your team?
7/21/2009 4:12 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2009So we now have two examples, in the last 25 minutes, of owners who are more successful at home than the road.

Your second example is not really a good one, green's team has less than 5% more wins at home...229 to 219 isn't that good an example...

your team IS a good example on the other hand
7/21/2009 4:16 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by iain on 7/21/2009Yes, but I think we're looking for ALL teams to ALWAYS win more at home than on the road.

That's how it plays out in RL, not ALL, but almost all.
7/21/2009 4:17 PM
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