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Quote: Originally posted by sergei91 on 11/06/2009and then if they do get screwed it's all the other owners' fault for not vetoing the deal

Is it much easier for you to blame the coach who gets the better of the trade and dismiss everyone else? You want to blame the coach for offering a lopsided trade, but give a free pass to the coaches who don't veto the same lopsided trade. That is what I get from your 2 posts.

It's pretty simple. Two coaches are involved in trades, both coaches need to hit accept for the deal to be processed. After that happens then there is 24 hours for 30 coaches to come up with 10 vetoes. If the trade gets accepted by both coaches and makes it through the veto process then the trade is deemed acceptable. Don't whine about it afterwards. No one should be blamed if a trade is deemed acceptable by all parties. The two coaches who hit accept made the decision the trade was good for their teams and 30 other owners as a group made the decision the trade was acceptable for their world.

You are preying on people who don't know any better.

Try taking the high road and NOT offering bullshit deals to n00bs.

Ever consider that option??

If you suggest that n00bs don't make trades, why do you offer them deals that are lopsided?

It really seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 11/06/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By sergei91 on 11/06/2009
it's amazing to me that new owners who don't ask plague specifically for advice 'think they know everything' and deserve to get fleeced in trades

I was thinking the exact same thing, sergei.

Just because you don't ask for advise, doesn't mean you think you know everything.

Since when does trying to be independent and not be spoon fed how to play a game mean that you're all full of yourself??

Sergei and I differ on a lot of things opinion-wise...this would not be one of them...

Quote: Originally posted by iain on 11/06/2009If you suggest that n00bs don't make trades, why do you offer them deals that are lopsided?It really seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

It's not talking outside both sides of my mouth, I am doing exactly as I preach. I make suggestions, if they choose to follow or not follow my suggestions that is their choice. I am not going to stop trying to improve my team, if noobs choose not to follow my advice they are going to make trades regardless if its with my team or some other team. I do the same thing in GD. I see a flaw or what I consider a exploit, I inform WIS and if they give me back a line that everything is working as intended then I will exploit the hell out of it until they finally make the change, and I will do that even though I don't agree with their everything is working as intended policy....

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I agree with the comment that trades are consentual and therefore trade rape is technically not possible. However, please note I referred to trading between 2 consenting experienced owners as trade sex. On the other hand it is well recognized that the inexperienced and young can not enter into a consentual relationship. I view this is the appropriate way of looking at a newbie owner in HBD. In this situation the perpetrator is committing STATUTORY trade rape. If there is a LAW in a league against statutory trade rape then all owners should be held to it and that is the commishes job even if 10 owners don't veto the trade. If it is not the LAW in a league owners should not be held to it, but any newbie would be wise to avoid such a league.

Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 11/06/2009

Quote: Originally posted by iain on 11/06/200
If you suggest that n00bs don't make trades, why do you offer them deals that are lopsided?

It really seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

It's not talking outside both sides of my mouth, I am doing exactly as I preach. I make suggestions, if they choose to follow or not follow my suggestions that is their choice. I am not going to stop trying to improve my team, if noobs choose not to follow my advice they are going to make trades regardless if its with my team or some other team. I do the same thing in GD. I see a flaw or what I consider a exploit, I inform WIS and if they give me back a line that everything is working as intended then I will exploit the hell out of it until they finally make the change, and I will do that even though I don't agree with their everything is working as intended policy...

You just compared trading with n00bs to exploiting a glitch in the SIM.

At least you're aware that you're exploiting them.

To continue with the trade rape analogy, this is tantamount to "well, she dressed like that, so she wanted it" defence.

Someone was going to do it, so it might as well be me!!

What you don't appreciate is that someone else might not have done it, and that even if they did, it doesn't make it right.

I actively avoid trading with n00bs, and actually have turned down offers that would have been awfully rapey of me to accept. I sincerely doubt you'd do the same.

And I actually suspect you're proud that you wouldn't turn them down, and think I'm an idiot for doing it myself.

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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 11/06/2009I agree with the comment that trades are consentual and therefore trade rape is technically not possible. However, please note I referred to trading between 2 consenting experienced owners as trade sex. On the other hand it is well recognized that the inexperienced and young can not enter into a consentual relationship. I view this is the appropriate way of looking at a newbie owner in HBD. In this situation the perpetrator is committing STATUTORY trade rape. If there is a LAW in a league against statutory trade rape then all owners should be held to it and that is the commishes job even if 10 owners don't veto the trade. If it is not the LAW in a league owners should not be held to it, but any newbie would be wise to avoid such a league

I made that point like 5 days ago, but congrats anyway. I do agree with you.

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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 11/06/2009I agree with the comment that trades are consentual and therefore trade rape is technically not possible. However, please note I referred to trading between 2 consenting experienced owners as trade sex. On the other hand it is well recognized that the inexperienced and young can not enter into a consentual relationship. I view this is the appropriate way of looking at a newbie owner in HBD. In this situation the perpetrator is committing STATUTORY trade rape. If there is a LAW in a league against statutory trade rape then all owners should be held to it and that is the commishes job even if 10 owners don't veto the trade. If it is not the LAW in a league owners should not be held to it, but any newbie would be wise to avoid such a league

This is a great explanation. Best I have heard yet.

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