Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 11/22/2009My overalls ore ok, why should my players be bad

Their overalls can be ok because there are other things than hitting ratings that influence whether or not a player has a high overall. It's why the overall rating is a nice guide, but shouldn't be taken as gospel truth.

By the way, is this your first season? I have had this conversation recently with newbies, but not with someone as experienced as yourself.

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 11/22/2009
Let me open it up for just a moment.

How can my players do well last year if they are horrible. My point is that suddenly my players are much worse.

They werent bad last year, or the year before. Dont make it sound like my players were horrible and I just noticed it now, The game changed in a very unfair and ill conceived way.

Only within the deep, uncharted reaches of your mind.

Two small samples from one team is hardly enough to demonstrate anything regardless, and many people have demonstrated the numerous flaws the hitters in question have.

Quote: Originally Posted By bighead34 on 11/22/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 11/22/2009

Let me open it up for just a moment.

How can my players do well last year if they are horrible. My point is that suddenly my players are much worse.

They werent bad last year, or the year before. Dont make it sound like my players were horrible and I just noticed it now, The game changed in a very unfair and ill conceived way.

no, your players have always been bad...since season 11 your team has lead the league in Outs/Plate Appearances (and continues to lead this year)...your offense has finished 21st, 29th, 31st, and 28th in runs scored during this period...that is not a recommended strategy for winning games...did you ever wonder why despite having all these "good" players putting up "good" numbers your team is never better than .500 during this period?...did this minor tweak to the engine tamp down the only area of relative strength of your offense? yes, but you weren't winning with your formula anywa

1 I have played 4 season, 2 winning records, once 80-82 and one losing record. Made the playoffs twice in 4 years. I am not sure where you get never better than .500, that statement is not correct.

2 I have always played in a pitchers park, so my offense would be lower.

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Why are you guys still feeding him?

Swamp obviously wants people to validate his theory, tell him that he has an awesome lineup and wants everyone else to jump on board the "power teams got screwed!" bandwagon.

Ignore this thread and it will go away. The end.

Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 11/22/2009Why are you guys still feeding him?

Swamp obviously wants people to validate his theory, tell him that he has an awesome lineup and wants everyone else to jump on board the "power teams got screwed!" bandwagon.

Ignore this thread and it will go away. The end

1 I do think I am right and I do want everyone to agree with me.

2 I realize that I am holding a gun to your head to make you read this thread so it would be impossible for you to just ignore it and do something else.

3 Clearly Power Teams Got Screwed!

<<<didn't consider season ten in this analysis>>>

Why. Almost the whole team is the same as back then. I had a different catcher and a different fielder. Most of my people were the same people. Including the 1B Greene who hit 60 HRs that year.

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Small sample size alert: Babe has gotten better since the update even with his 36 versus ies. .400 with 7 hrs in his last ten games.



My only point in posting him: it is way too early to tell what effects, if any, the changes have on game play.

You were strongly in favor of carryover reform in GD. Did teams with large carryover get screwed? Sure they did, but you were still a strong advocate of removing carryover even though many coaches were going to get screwed. In my opinion you seem very hypocritical in this argument. In one aspect you desire realism in a situation where it does not hurt you, in another area you do not desire realism because it hurts you.

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Get over it!

Quote: Originally Posted By shobob on 11/23/2009You were strongly in favor of carryover reform in GD. Did teams with large carryover get screwed? Sure they did, but you were still a strong advocate of removing carryover even though many coaches were going to get screwed. In my opinion you seem very hypocritical in this argument. In one aspect you desire realism in a situation where it does not hurt you, in another area you do not desire realism because it hurts you.

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Get over it

1 The teams didnt really get screwed after carryover reform. they got to spend their money. I have a bunch of players that are valued less.

2 Where is the reality. This is not a simulation of real life players. how the stats work is based solely on WIS. They weighted power higher than contact. How can you just change after people have spent years building teams, and change in a very radical way.

3 Just because people are hitting 80 HRs does not mean that the game is broken. 80 is 7 more than the actual record. 90 is around 20% more than the record, not crazy events. And the teams are not hitting HRs at outlandish rates.

4 Right is always right. I never said we should adopt carryover reform because it was realistic, that was just a bonus. I urged adoption of carryover reform because it made the game better. By eliminating a large number of valid players we have less varity in how we build our teams. A good player is not a variable anymore. Good players are one type, good splits. This hurts the game and limits our play options!

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This change really irks me as well. But all I have is a small sample size to compare. 2 players similar to the ones people are ragging on Swamp for carrying, in Colorado... Where you obviously build your team for power.

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=937022

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1347142

2 consistent 50 HR, .280-.288 hitters, slight drop in HR, .050 drop in each's BA. (only 80 AB).... But my team BA is down 40 points overall through 380 AB despite carrying the same roster, having my players largely in their prime.

I can't see why such changes have to be so "dramatic" as others note or only affect specific players. I can only imagine how upset those people were when they nerfed the 30-40 durability pitchers.

And before anyone tears into me, my team despite carrying less of the players like swamp's has been the #1 offense for 13 straight seasons.



And unhypocritical of me, I was against carryover reform, despite spending every dollar I had in GD.

And secondly, I think this is more ridiculous, because they've significantly lessened the creation of these high power players anyway, to also limit their usefulness, suddenly, is very shortsighted, IMO.