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I'm having trouble posting the table, but I compared mark3313's BIG LEAGUE S5 and S6 and it looks like HR came down for everyone with power >=50 (that's all I looked at) with the biggest impact at the high end of Power. I grouped players by Power rating so that 95-99 was a group, 90-94 another, 85-89 another, and so on. Per 550 AB, each group hit more HR than the group underneath it so I don't see 80 Power guys hitting more HR than 95 Power guys, in general. I'll see if I can post the table without breaking the thread.

EDIT: This only looked at players still playing in S6 and groupings are based on S6 current ratings. IsoP is Isolated Power, the difference between SLG and AVG.
1/1/2010 2:58 PM
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1/1/2010 3:00 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kingjohndevi on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010But it wouldn't only affect those hitters, hart. That's nonsense. The tweak would hit them the hardest, sure, but it couldn't target a specific type of player. A player with 0 PWR still has some small chance to hit a home run; it's just much less of a chance than a player with 100 PWR.

All they did by "bringing the upper end down" is narrow the difference between the two to some degree.

If you believe that the change exclusively affects elite power hitters, then you believe they introduced new code into the engine specifically to target those players. And that's ridiculous.How do you know what the existing home run algorithm is and what it looks like? How do you know that with the existing model they couldn't target specific power ratings? If you have access to the alogrithms that make up the game please share them.


I didn't say they couldn't, I said it was ridiculous to think that they would.

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1/1/2010 3:10 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 1/01/2010Granted, ADMIN drops the ball more often than we would like when it comes to updates and unintended consequences.  But it's pretty stupid to assume that they intentionally made a change such that 90 power guys would be less productive than 80 power guys (with all else being equal).  That's just asinine.

I noticed a lot of 90+ power guys having huge drop offs in production while hitters in the 80+ power range were staying consistent. I wanted to see if other people, in other leagues were seeing similar results.

If customer service is being truthful to me, and they only changed the upper echelon of power hitters, and only their HR production, then it's reasonable to assume the upper level of hitter who was unchanged, the high 80 power guy for example, would outproduce the 90 guy was was "altered".

Also, if the overall data from all leagues is correct and only a select group was "changed", with everyone else staying the same, then it's reasonable to assume that selected group, of former elite power hitters, is responsible for the huge, quick drop off in OPS ; that would explain some of the dramatic lack of production from former MVP hitters I'm seeing in my leagues. My guess is they tried to correct something to bring down the league leading HR totals and things went too far to the other extreme.

1/1/2010 3:15 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2009If you believe this, take my advice.  Trade your 90s for 80s.   I bet you won't have any problem at all in doing so.
1/1/2010 3:20 PM
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who would you rather have now ?

Player 1

player 2

Granted, this is not an example of all 90+ power guys, but simply an example of how some 90+ power guys have declined dramatically in production, and how some 80+ power guys, staying pretty consistent, have now become more valuable than them.

This brings up my original point; if you reduce the production of certain hitters, but not all hitters, should you re-rate the "changed" player's ratings to better reflect their new production level ?
1/1/2010 3:30 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mark3313 on 1/01/2010who would you rather have now ?

Player 1

player 2

Granted, this is not an example of all 90+ power guys, but simply an example of how some 90+ power guys have declined dramatically in production, and how some 80+ power guys, staying pretty consistent, have now become more valuable than them.

This brings up my original point; if you reduce the production of certain hitters, but not all hitters, should you re-rate the "changed" player's ratings to better reflect their new production level
You're comparing HR stats from a guy who plays in a -3/-3 HR park to a guy who plays in a +4/+4 HR park?

Really?
1/1/2010 3:46 PM
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Strangely enough, I'd want the younger guy with better ratings across the board. Go figure.
1/1/2010 3:46 PM
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1/1/2010 3:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2009 If you believe this, take my advice. Trade your 90s for 80s. I bet you won't have any problem at all in doing so.
This isn't really a solution at all. Just because it's the way it is now doesn't mean it's the way it will be tomorrow. They change things quickly and usually with little notice around here all the time. The best bet is to trust the way the ratings are supposed to work and wait for them to get it right. Eventually they usually do, but sometimes it takes them awhile.
1/1/2010 3:53 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By trsnoke on 1/01/2010I'm having trouble posting the table, but I compared mark3313's BIG LEAGUE S5 and S6 and it looks like HR came down for everyone with power >=50 (that's all I looked at) with the biggest impact at the high end of Power. I grouped players by Power rating so that 95-99 was a group, 90-94 another, 85-89 another, and so on. Per 550 AB, each group hit more HR than the group underneath it so I don't see 80 Power guys hitting more HR than 95 Power guys, in general. I'll see if I can post the table without breaking the thread.
EDIT: This only looked at players still playing in S6 and groupings are based on S6 current ratings. IsoP is Isolated Power, the difference between SLG and AVG
This is terrific info. It obviously shows the power adjustments are what WIS said they would be. Unfortunately, it appears that most posters prefer to look at their own anecdotal examples. Your data doesn't support their "sky is falling" theories.
1/1/2010 3:58 PM
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1/1/2010 4:02 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010Strangely enough, I'd want the younger guy with better ratings across the board. Go figure.


And for some players, quite a few, their ratings in the power department are very misleading now.
1/1/2010 4:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by kingjohndevi on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010
But it wouldn't only affect those hitters, hart. That's nonsense. The tweak would hit them the hardest, sure, but it couldn't target a specific type of player. A player with 0 PWR still has some small chance to hit a home run; it's just much less of a chance than a player with 100 PWR.

All they did by "bringing the upper end down" is narrow the difference between the two to some degree.

If you believe that the change exclusively affects elite power hitters, then you believe they introduced new code into the engine specifically to target those players. And that's ridiculous.



How do you know what the existing home run algorithm is and what it looks like? How do you know that with the existing model they couldn't target specific power ratings? If you have access to the alogrithms that make up the game please share them.


I didn't say they couldn't, I said it was ridiculous to think that they would.

Feel free to delete the rest of your spam, btw.
I'm just tryng to understand why you think that if the update only targeted players with 90+ power it would require a brand new alogrithm, for you to make that statement you have to know what the existing algorithm looks like, which you do not.

And its not spam, its pointing out the number of times you made the assumption that you did.

Either you know what the existing model looked like or you don't, if you don't your argument is baseless.

Try again.
1/1/2010 4:07 PM
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