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Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010toddcommish:

There are going to be a lot of guys at first because we are updating the eligibility retroactively. Over time the list will diminish because not a lot good or great players retire every season.



patrick... here's a quandry...

You admit to "a lot of guys at first"... how many is "a lot" on average?

I'm just worried... say you have 25 teams casting 5 votes each (I'll assume SOME won't vote)... thats 125 votes that are cast overall.. getting 20 of those 25 in a particular season, or even a reduced number such as the 17 Mike suggested... I think the votes are going to be spread too thinly to get anyone elected. Especially because we now have 15 seasons under our belts in some worlds, thats a LOT of retired players to consider, and everyone will spread their votes differently. After these "old timers" fall off the 5-year limit, it will get easier to have a 17 or 20 owner consensus... but I'm worried that nobody (or close to nobody) will get elected in the first 5 seasons because there will be too many choices.
1/13/2010 3:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By patrickm885 on 1/13/2010Hey guys,

Here are some details on how the HOF is going to work. I'll answer any other questions you might have throughout the day and the coming weeks until we release it.

Each individual world will have their own HOF. We are not implementing an "All Worlds HOF" just yet. HOF eligibility will be retroactive for all seasons in every world. So players that played in season 10, retired, and qualify in a world currently in season 15 will be eligible to be nominated. Voting is all user based and a player needs 20 votes to be inducted into the HOF.

Eligibility for the HOF is two fold, there are automatic nominations that the AI processes. These players are automatically eligible to be voted into the HOF (criteria below). Users will get to nominate players that fit the criteria listed below as well. Users can nominate any player that played on his franchise at any point during his career.

Criteria is as follows:

Auto-nominations-
Position Players: 7+ Silver Slugger, 10+ Gold Gloves, 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ MVPs, 500+ HRs, or 3,000+ Hs

Pitchers: 7+ All Star Appearances, 3+ Fireman of the Year, 3+ Cy Young Awards, 300+ wins, 3000+ Ks, or 500+ SVs

User nominations-
Position players: 10+ years of ML experience with 400+ PA per season.
Relief pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 50+ IP per season.
Starting pitchers: 10+ years of ML experience with 150+ IP per season.
There shouldn't be all that many worthy candidates with 10+ years of ML exp.
1/13/2010 3:32 PM
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Well here's the HOF's website list of players who will be eligible in the next four years.. we'll see how many of them don't get past this rigorous screening process:

2011: Jeff Bagwell, Rafael Palmeiro, John Olerud, Kevin Brown, Larry Walker, Juan Gonzalez, Tino Martinez, B.J. Surhoff, Marquis Grissom, John Franco, Bret Boone, Al Leiter, Benito Santiago, Carlos Baerga, Raul Mondesi, Bobby Higginson, Wilson Alvarez, Rey Sanchez, Charles Johnson, Jose Offerman, Ugueth Urbina, Ismael Valdez, Dan Wilson, Paul Quantrill, Cal Eldred, Kirk Rueter, Steve Reed

2012: Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

2013: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Craig Biggio, Curt Schilling, Sammy Sosa, Mike Piazza, Kenny Lofton, David Wells, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Steve Finley, Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Cirillo, Jose Valentin, Reggie Sanders, Jeff Conine, Jose Mesa, Royce Clayton, Bob Wickman, Ryan Klesko, Aaron Sele, Woody Williams, Rondell White, Mike Lieberthal, Tony Batista, Mike Stanton, Sandy Alomar Jr., Damian Miller, Todd Walker

2014: Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Jim Edmonds, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Mark Grudzielanek, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro
1/13/2010 3:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by iain on 1/13/2010 C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.(emphasis mine)
Maybe this is a way to get around 'disinterested' owners... instead of a hard 17 or 20 number... howabout making it 2/3 of votes who actually submit a ballot?
1/13/2010 3:33 PM
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Maybe they just weren't good enough.
1/13/2010 3:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 1/13/2010I never really cared much for the HoF idea before... but I agree, it sounds kinda fun now. Looking forward to it
Totally agree! It adds something to the world, especially for owners who been with the world a long time.
1/13/2010 3:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 1/13/2010
Quote: Originally posted by iain on 1/13/2010 C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame


(emphasis mine)
Maybe this is a way to get around 'disinterested' owners... instead of a hard 17 or 20 number... howabout making it 2/3 of votes who actually submit a ballot
And if only six people care enough to vote? Four votes to make the HOF?
1/13/2010 3:57 PM
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We need to have public voting too. If some dumbass DOESN'T vote for, say, Donnie Brown and his NINE Cy Young Awards, we need to know about it.

Oh, and for simplification sake, we should RUBBER STAMP players that have 3 out of the 6 criteria (7+ SS, 10+ GG, 7+ AS, 3 MVP, 500 hrs, 3000 hits) into the Hall of Fame. Why should we waste votes on guys that SHOULD be there regardless?

I've checked Ruth (one of the first two, and currently the only world to complete 15 regular seasons), and I've only found a couple players over 35 with 3 of the 6 offensive criteria [Marvin Aurilia and Sammy Manzanillo]

p.s. There are some young guys (30-34) that are still productive that I wouldn't consider voting for at this point.
1/13/2010 4:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By disaacs on 1/13/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By prezuiwf on 1/13/2010
Why not allow voters to decide which cap a guy gets to wear? When they vote for him, just let them select the franchise they want him to go in with.



I don't believe that's really necessary. I think that whoever he played for the longest is fine. It's really not that big of a deal anyway, considering even if a guy plays 1 year for a particular team, he'll still claim him as one of his HOFers.



Disagree. Andre Martin from Gehrig world. Definite, 100% 1st ballot HOF'er and I guarantee that both I and Hypnotoad would want him to wear our cap.

A vote would be good.



Perhaps we can trade away cap wearing rights: Ill trade you 3 players and HOF cap rights for your stud SP.....just kidding on this part....

1/13/2010 4:16 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 1/13/2010
Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010 toddcommish:

There are going to be a lot of guys at first because we are updating the eligibility retroactively. Over time the list will diminish because not a lot good or great players retire every season.



patrick... here's a quandry...

You admit to "a lot of guys at first"... how many is "a lot" on average?

I'm just worried... say you have 25 teams casting 5 votes each (I'll assume SOME won't vote)... thats 125 votes that are cast overall.. getting 20 of those 25 in a particular season, or even a reduced number such as the 17 Mike suggested... I think the votes are going to be spread too thinly to get anyone elected. Especially because we now have 15 seasons under our belts in some worlds, thats a LOT of retired players to consider, and everyone will spread their votes differently. After these "old timers" fall off the 5-year limit, it will get easier to have a 17 or 20 owner consensus... but I'm worried that nobody (or close to nobody) will get elected in the first 5 seasons because there will be too many choices



I was thinking the same thing. This could be a problem early on until it thins out. If there are that many legit HOF possibilities in the 1st 5 or so seasons (which it would be until they fell off the ballot), it might be tough, if not near impossible to get 25 votes...Im thinking Mike has a good point with 17, and even tough that seems a bit tough at 1st, should be a good standard in the long term.
1/13/2010 4:19 PM
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When is the HOF being rolled out ? What is the date / Did I miss the post ?
1/13/2010 4:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By domiisgod on 1/13/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By disaacs on 1/13/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By prezuiwf on 1/13/2010
Why not allow voters to decide which cap a guy gets to wear? When they vote for him, just let them select the franchise they want him to go in with.



I don't believe that's really necessary. I think that whoever he played for the longest is fine. It's really not that big of a deal anyway, considering even if a guy plays 1 year for a particular team, he'll still claim him as one of his HOFers.




Disagree. Andre Martin from Gehrig world. Definite, 100% 1st ballot HOF'er and I guarantee that both I and Hypnotoad would want him to wear our cap.

A vote would be good.



Perhaps we can trade away cap wearing rights: Ill trade you 3 players and HOF cap rights for your stud SP.....just kidding on this part....

I like the idea of a vote. I don't program or anything, but how hard could it be to (after you click a radio button for someone you think belongs in the HOF) to bring up the teams that he spent time with and allowing owners to select his "cap". Seems like a better solution than just having total IP/PA, since a player could easily come up with one team and spent (for ex.) 7 seasons there, but have his far and away best production come with the team he signed a big 5-year deal with thereafter.
1/13/2010 4:21 PM
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ZB and I agree on something. Stop the presses.
1/13/2010 4:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By smoelheim on 1/13/2010
Quote: Originally posted by patrickm885 on 1/13/2010 toddcommish:

There are going to be a lot of guys at first because we are updating the eligibility retroactively. Over time the list will diminish because not a lot good or great players retire every season.



patrick... here's a quandry...

You admit to "a lot of guys at first"... how many is "a lot" on average?

I'm just worried... say you have 25 teams casting 5 votes each (I'll assume SOME won't vote)... thats 125 votes that are cast overall.. getting 20 of those 25 in a particular season, or even a reduced number such as the 17 Mike suggested... I think the votes are going to be spread too thinly to get anyone elected. Especially because we now have 15 seasons under our belts in some worlds, thats a LOT of retired players to consider, and everyone will spread their votes differently. After these "old timers" fall off the 5-year limit, it will get easier to have a 17 or 20 owner consensus... but I'm worried that nobody (or close to nobody) will get elected in the first 5 seasons because there will be too many choices
"A player is eligible to be nominated 5 times. If he is nominated 5 times and he does not get voted in then he will lose his eligibility."

Nothing indicating that a player must be nominated as soon as he is eligible. If you want to give your borderline guys the best chance of making it in, don't nominate them during the first few seasons when the real studs are taking up the votes.
1/13/2010 4:27 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 1/13/2010And if only six people care enough to vote?  Four votes to make the HOF?

If only 6 people care about the HoF, then I'm ok with only 4 votes being necessary to get voted in. Don't like it... join an interested world.
1/13/2010 4:30 PM
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