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I will mostly agree with others

In between seasons--there should be no burden of proof on the commish. If he boots someone out that shouldnt be booted the other owners will react accordingly and the world will police itself.

In season--a very low burden of proof that league standards were violated. In this case a guy did pay for his season, and there has to be some level of protection. The proof should be. "The league rules are xxx, the owner did yyy. Violating payroll, and not working to fix it, etc..
4/9/2010 11:55 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 4/09/2010Removing one owner will not "ruin a league"
But keeping him will.
4/9/2010 11:57 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 4/09/2010
As a commish, I'm fully behind axing commishes who are deemed inadequate by a set number of owners. I'd even lower the number to 11 if necessary. If over 1/3 of the world thinks you're crap, you probably are. Bring in the next guy.
I can become the commish of any world Im in with a simple email, apparently.
4/9/2010 11:57 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 4/09/2010
What is needed is a "disclaimer" when someone joins a "private" world. A simple "I acknowledge that I may be removed at any future rollover at the Commisioners discretion. I will have NO recourse if this occurs." In addition at the all star break all commissioers should be put to a stay/be relieved vote and recieve the anonymous results. If relieved a new commissioer would be necessary to stay private."

I still think this is too much power for a commish because i have seen a commish boot a team based solely on he didn't like the owner or felt the owner had too good of a team. By saying that WIS will police itself and people will realize the league is bad you are penalizing all the owners of that league who have been there for 10 seasons and had nothing to do with the commish booting said user. Commish's should not be given absolute power.

Maybe a solution would be for the commish to "nominate" a team to be removed at role over and the league to vote on it. That way a bad owner can still be removed.
4/9/2010 11:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By brewsbrother on 4/09/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 4/09/2010
Removing one owner will not "ruin a league".
But keeping him will


agreed. as ALL THE OTHER OWNERS in cooperstown have demonstrated
4/9/2010 11:58 AM
sergei91
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Quote: Originally Posted By drarcher on 4/09/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 4/09/2010

What is needed is a "disclaimer" when someone joins a "private" world. A simple "I acknowledge that I may be removed at any future rollover at the Commisioners discretion. I will have NO recourse if this occurs." In addition at the all star break all commissioers should be put to a stay/be relieved vote and recieve the anonymous results. If relieved a new commissioer would be necessary to stay private."

I still think this is too much power for a commish because i have seen a commish boot a team based solely on he didn't like the owner or felt the owner had too good of a team. By saying that WIS will police itself and people will realize the league is bad you are penalizing all the owners of that league who have been there for 10 seasons and had nothing to do with the commish booting said user. Commish's should not be given absolute power.

Maybe a solution would be for the commish to "nominate" a team to be removed at role over and the league to vote on it. That way a bad owner can still be removed.




who was the commish and was this in a (currently existing) private world???
4/9/2010 12:00 PM
MikeT23
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Seems like a slew of tickets from the remaining owners would have resolved that situation under my "Boot a commish" plan.
4/9/2010 12:05 PM
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It is very easy to change commishes. Too easy actually. I took over as commish of a world with a single email. And, I had the commish taken from me--I had no issue with it without a confirmation email.

I'd assume if I complained or the other commish complained they would have changed it back. I took over to prevent a world from going public when we werent sure if the ex-commish would be on in time.

If a commish is not acting in the best interest and the league takes note, the situation drarcher mentions could have been reversed easily. Make the commish change, and invite the old owner back in. There would probably be a power struggle, but if the facts stated were true, Im sure it would be worked out.

4/9/2010 12:07 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 4/09/2010
There are 2 reasonable options, I think:

1)

(a) Commish can remove anyone he wants at rollover

(b) Owners vote to "renew" or "remove" Commish once every season, with some sort of voting process if removal is chosen.



2)

(a) Commish can remove players for violations of written rules only. Written Rules will be clearly posted somewhere.

(b) Written rules can only change at rollover.

(c) Written rules may be changed by the Commish with a straight up-or-down approval majority vote by the World members.



Option (1) provides more power for a better Commish but is more open to abuse. Option (2) will require a Commish to be more "on the ball" in terms of setting up a good set of rules, and then adjusting them as needed. But it may make recruiting easier, by giving owners a clear idea of wht they are getting themselves into.

I prefer Option (2), because, of course, it still allows Worlds the option on establishing a written rule that the Commish can boot whomever he likes at rollover, so it gives Worlds the most flexibility to customize.

I'm reposting this because it is, in fact, the correct answer. I suggest, for the reasons tec outlines earlier, that CS will like Option (2) more. But I think almost everyone would be more-or-less happy with either Option.
4/9/2010 12:09 PM
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the answer is obvious:

nobody should be safe either mid season for blatant stuff or at rollover for something that wis doesn't cover in their guidelines

not the commish, not any owner, regardless of how long they've been in the league or how much they've invested in their team

either you follow the league's rules (for the owners) and do what's best for the league as a whole (if you're a commish) or you can be voted/booted out during rollover
4/9/2010 12:10 PM
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4/9/2010 12:21 PM
MikeT23
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Bah, crap. kabpcmsd deleted his post. Oh well.
4/9/2010 12:22 PM
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He probably saw randallball's "death made an intelligent post" and decided the world was ending.
4/9/2010 12:24 PM
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Revert the "Fair Play Guidelines" to the previous version.

Give the commissioner, as a representative of the other 30 owners, the power to nominate an owner for dismissal to admin.

Let admin decide given all the facts.

Assume the defendant is guilty until proven otherwise. (We're not in a court of law)

The commissioner should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Let the commissioner replace an owner at the beginning of the season, unconditionally.
4/9/2010 12:27 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By The__Kid on 4/09/2010Revert the "Fair Play Guidelines" to the previous version.

Give the commissioner, as a representative of the other 30 owners, the power to nominate an owner for dismissal to admin.

Let admin decide given all the facts.

Assume the defendant is guilty until proven otherwise. (We're not in a court of law)

The commissioner should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Let the commissioner replace an owner at the beginning of the season, unconditionally


you were great in 'purple rain'
4/9/2010 12:29 PM
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