Bang the Kettle Drum Topic

colonels. you are dead wrong. "Just because you all have reasons DOESN'T MEAN that those reasons are GOOD ENOUGH to justify the end result....that's what you're not getting."

what you are not getting is that you just dont have nearly the comprehension required to make that judgment. the people who do have small disagreements, but unanimously agree this result is not a shocker. to bullheadedly discredit what we are saying just demonstrates that you think your opinion is more valid than that of a dozen vets who understand this game way better than you. i am reminded of when i was a kid. this will sound a bit ridiculous, but is an absolutely true story. my younger sister one day revealed she knew 2+2 to be 5. a year older and infinitely better at math, i could not believe she would not accept it was 4, despite anything i tried to explain to her. so we asked my older sister, who obviously agreed with me. still, my younger sister was firm that 2+2 was 5. after consulting with my mom, and finally my dad (who was in our eyes a math genius), she still was firm, 2+2 was 5. that is exactly what you are doing, take a step back and realize it, and you will be better off for it.

you also say "It was a W all day, every day, period. I get how a sim works, and for a 1 in a million result to screw me is just incredibly hard to stomach at this moment."

1 in a million? laughable. not even close to 1 in 100. 1 in 20 if you are lucky. i don't agree with the 60%s i have read in this thread but really man, there is absolutely no way it was close to 1 in 100. do you deny my ability to look at a game and rate the chances of winning is drastically better than yours? why won't you accept what i am telling you? i spent 30 minutes a game on about half of my games for about 4 months analyzing each game in depth to the best of my ability. one component was predicting my chances of winning. only when my perceived chances on winning fell in line with the results to a great degree, as well as the different components (like my perceived outcome of rebounding, turnovers, fg%, etc), did i stop doing it. if you really think you have a good gauge on a chance of winning, here is a very simple way for you to test it. start a thread. before each game, post your chance of winning. after 20 games, we will sum your perceived chance of winning and your wins. for me, over 100 games, i would expect a variation of 5 or less. so for 20, lets give you a variation of 2. please, give it a try, i think it would do a lot to open your eyes.

4/26/2010 1:24 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 4/26/2010But lets run with that. Say you had won by one. Would it be INCONCEIVABLE! that you could have missed ONE more jump shot than you did in that case, or that he could have made ONE more? If you can win by one, you can also lose.



A, be careful using, you know, logic.
4/26/2010 1:25 PM
colonels, you claim to understand probability. do you accept, given a series of coin fliips, heads and tails, where each flip is weighted, and at least 1 flip is not 100% heads or tails... then, no matter how weighted, nor how many coin flips, the chance of more tails than heads and more heads than tails are both positive probability outcomes? more than 0%, less than 100%?

if you agree, its immediately obvious that any rational being in your place must agree no game in this sim should be won 100% of the time.
4/26/2010 1:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 4/26/2010



And conversely, just because you don't like the explanations that you've been given doesn't make them wrong.

When you've got a bunch of highly successful coaches telling you the same thing, you think there may be something to their points? I'm not disputing their points....many good points were made, I just don't think that in the end they justify a Montevallo win. Had I done those things, would I probably have won...yes...but in my mind I should have been able to win that game easily playing my "B" offense and defense. I shouldn't have had to do a damned thing to win, and that's my point. But since you don't "like" the answers you're getting, you put your hands over your ears, disregard all the rational answers The overriding factor in this game is still TEAM TALENT, as it is in any game. I had a decided advantage and still lost. Tell me I don't have a right to be ****** when in the most important factor in the game, I had it hands down, and I lost because of a few circumstantial things that threw the game into a friggin tailspin. I lost to a sim ai with 5 walkons that I doubled up on the glass that I'm an average 40 OTR better than....give me a break., and scream like a little kid that "this was a slam-dunk win, a gimme, I got screwed, waaaah, waaaah, waaaah". Arguing just argue. And doing a bad job of it, I might add. Not arguing just to argue, I'm extremely and legitimately ****** and if and when I do quit this game, this is exhibit A. I don't want to leave, but I feel like given crap like this, I have no choice.

4/26/2010 1:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 4/26/2010But lets run with that. Say you had won by one. Would it be INCONCEIVABLE! that you could have missed ONE more jump shot than you did in that case, or that he could have made ONE more? If you can win by one, you can also lose.

If that game was on your schedule and you had my team...you'd take a look and say "I've got this hands down...double digits"...any right-minded person would say that.
4/26/2010 1:30 PM
just do it then. if you think that was a ridiculous outcome possibly worth quitting over, well, you are going to see one more ridiculous on average roughly twice a season, if not more. so, you may as well just pack it up now.

maybe you don't usually play such bad teams, so when you see as unlikely an outcome against a decent opponent, you won't think its more unlikely. so that might mean you won't perceive twice a season having a more ridiculous outcome. but it will happen all the same.
4/26/2010 1:31 PM
Yeah Colonels those flukey games happen sometimes if you dont use play to your strengths against that opponent. You had a decent speed, athleticism advantage you should have been running him off the court forcing the simai to foul your guys cause they were getting tired and making the simai use his bench (where he had 5 walk ons)

4/26/2010 1:31 PM
Colonels- http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5536395 - should i have won this game. Never. A flukey win.
4/26/2010 1:33 PM
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4/26/2010 1:40 PM
SO Colonels. . if you WIN a game where the other team outrates you similarly. . .are we going to see you here with a complaint thread?
4/26/2010 1:43 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 4/26/2010SO Colonels. . if you WIN a game where the other team outrates you similarly. . .are we going to see you here with a complaint thread?
You should, but quite frankly, I'm not going to look closely into a game that I won that I should have lost opposed to a game that I lost and should have won. Rightly or wrongly, I don't read the PBP much as is, only really when I think there's a problem.

I don't want to win at the expense of the losing team getting screwed.
4/26/2010 1:46 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By piratesfan23 on 4/26/2010Colonels- http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5536395 - should i have won this game. Never. A flukey win
Margin was less (2 compared to 3) and the OTR was considerably less (10 compared to 40) AND it was human v. human, thus that result is entirely more understandable and justifiable than the result of my game.
4/26/2010 1:47 PM
so are you skipping over what i said because its too obviously logical? if you really think you can evaluate your chance of winning, why not try the little experiment i suggested? what do you have to lose?
4/26/2010 1:50 PM
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