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Baseball doesn't have a clock. Throw your clock away when you go to the game.
6/4/2010 3:30 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 6/04/2010many a pitcher has lost a perfect game due to an error made by one of his fielders



this makes me wonder just how many pitchers have thrown what would have been a perfect game except for an error by a teammate......
6/5/2010 12:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 6/03/2010I'm going to Dicken's to watch Game
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6/5/2010 8:28 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By Arte on 6/04/2010
Well I'll let you mull what I understand and don't understand for a while.

People will always remember this game as the perfect game that got taken away by a bad call. I don't think you can disagree with that. But note the preface...a perfect game. He did pitch a perfect game. He stepped on first with posession of the ball before the runner got there for the 27th consecutive out. That can not be denied and ever taken away from him. The subsequent error by the umpire is unfortunate but reversible if someone with the authority and the backbone chose to do so. But that will apparently not happen. And that is unfortunate.

Sports can teach important life lessons. The way Gallaraga and Joyce handled this are commendable examples of appropriate behavior. Too bad we can't add the lesson that when authority acknowledges an error, they not only work to ensure it doesn't happen again, they actually correct the error itself.

uh, nope
6/5/2010 8:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By SpotSell on 6/04/2010

I was actually surprised (and pleased) Selig did not reverse the call. I assumed he would fold so everyone could feel good about themselves.

I don't think anyone has mentioned Ernie Shore, who was actually credited with a perfect game, under less than perfect circumstances, and later, decades later had the distinction taken away



1981 official Baseball Record Book
says about this game played in Boston on June 23, 1917:

" Shore's performance is classified as a perfect game even though he did not start the game. George (Babe) Ruth, Boston's starting pitcher, was removed by umpire Clarence (Brick) Owens after giving up a base on balls to Ray Morgan, the first batter. Shore, without warming up, took Ruth's place. Morgan was retired trying to steal second. From then on, Shore faced 26 batters, with none reaching base."

actually, no, it's not classified as a perfect game

*perfect* is in quotes - and it is listed only as *special mention* - just looked at it - and yes, i have that BBR right next to my desk (along with all the others)
6/5/2010 8:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By edsortails on 6/05/2010
Quote: Originally posted by 98greenc5 on 6/04/2010
many a pitcher has lost a perfect game due to an error made by one of his fielders
not gonna bother looking that up - but it happened more than you might think


this makes me wonder just how many pitchers have thrown what would have been a perfect game except for an error by a teammate......
6/5/2010 8:34 AM
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Uh, wouldn't it still be a no-hitter? I don't think there have been that many no-hitters thrown with no walks but one or more errors.
6/5/2010 9:04 AM
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12 actually
6/5/2010 9:07 AM
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and yes, i made that up
6/5/2010 9:07 AM
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Any call which should have ended a game, but didn't, should be overturnable.

End of story.
6/5/2010 10:06 AM
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heh

nope
6/5/2010 11:15 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 6/05/2010Any call which should have ended a game, but didn't, should be overturnable.

End of story
What about calls that end a game but shouldnt?
6/5/2010 12:00 PM
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yeah, exactly - he doesnt quite understand that, we went thru this all day Thursday
6/5/2010 12:03 PM
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I'm still giggling about the dickencider line.
6/5/2010 12:08 PM
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The only purpose for overturning the call would have been to give Galarraga his place in history (which he'll have anyway now) and give him the recognition he deserved. From that perspective, I would have supported it.

But overall, it sets a dangerous precedent, because as has been said, you'd have to give the same consideration the other way (ie: if a bad call awards a perfect game or ends a game prematurely, you'd have to reverse it).

As well, history in every arena (not just sports) shows that you give people an inch, they'll try to take a mile. It would have started a snowball effect that surely would have led to reversable calls in really bad places.
6/5/2010 1:19 PM
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