Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 6/08/2010
Yeah it would be interesting for them to look at conference games only, and then margin of victory for home/away. That does seem to have increased. Especially at D1, where the A level HCA are.

But I still see a decent # of road wins in my conference play in Allen.

Home teams are 10-6 in ACC Allen - I think the more pressing issue is that 12 games have been decided by 10 or more points.
6/8/2010 10:19 AM
At Georgetown in Tark, I am 9-0 at home and 6-6 on the road. I have a couple of 50 point wins at home and 40+ point losses on the road.
6/8/2010 10:24 AM
For those of you about to quit......when potential came out, imperfectly as this current new engine has been, I quit in disgust. After three seasons away, I just couldn't stand not waking up in the morning and seeing SOME kind of score..perfect or not...and I rejoined. Potential seems to have been fixed (or I got use to it since I've been back). I believe this engine will be fixed also. There are a lot of people that want to make this work right. There are also a lot of people that just want to complain (as I did when potential came out).

I think I've learned that contributing to the game is more important that ********. Putting actual results out for people to see and study instead of just shooting an opinion off at the hip can only help the development of the game. ********, complaining, and not doing your homework before you throw an opinion out into the forums does nothing to improve the game experience.
6/8/2010 11:39 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 6/08/2010
Rails: yeah, i remember one time i went nearly a month without winning an NC

OR: ugh, i know, i feel for you my brother... one time oldave almost beat me n a game that mattered!!! can you even imagine how embarassing that would have been?

Rails: no, OR, I cant even imagine. well, at least we have our fortresses of solitude where we can sit and sulk andfeel sorry for ourselves and all our awful luck here in HDland

OR: yeah, I'm not sure where i'd be without my FoS. You know there have been a couple of seasons in tark where my uconn team did not win the NC.

rails: oh no! how ever did you deal with that, OR? that must have been so painful.

OR: oh yeah, you cant even imagine.

rails: atually, no I cant imagine,... I think the last time I went 3weeks without winning an NC, Gerald Ford was in the White house. but i did have a dream once where i lost in the NC title game. but in te dream, while I was coachng on the sidelnes, marisssa tomei was pleasuring me in ways that im not alowed to discuss in a public forum. needles to say, the game was not that importnat to me.

OR: thats weird, marissa is a good friend of mine and she actally likes to give me nude full-body massages. anyway, i gotta get back to shining my NC trophies. Ive been working on that for 5 hours and I sill have 37 more trophies to go... life's a *****

rails : I hear ya, OR. Well l, good luck against olave tonite... i hope he doesnt almost beat you again, that would really be awful.

OR: thanks raildude

Nice jon, oldave. That was one of the funniest things I have ever read on these forums. Nicely done.

6/8/2010 11:43 AM
Not surprised that CS would be looking at the issue solely based on winning percentage. The margins still do not seem to be working correctly. Stanford's closest home games are 7 and 12 pt wins. The next closest is in the 20s. The team has wins by 53 and 63 pts against torunament rpi teams at home. Admittedly, I expected to win both games but not by those margins.
6/8/2010 11:47 AM
I don't have any teams that are not High DI and was wondering if people are seeing large margins at the DII and DII levels?
6/8/2010 11:54 AM
because the HCA grades are lower, it doesn't seem to be effecting DII and DIII as much, at least in the games i've seen thus far.
6/8/2010 11:56 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By smackawits on 6/08/2010
For those of you about to quit......when potential came out, imperfectly as this current new engine has been, I quit in disgust. After three seasons away, I just couldn't stand not waking up in the morning and seeing SOME kind of score..perfect or not...and I rejoined. Potential seems to have been fixed (or I got use to it since I've been back). I believe this engine will be fixed also. There are a lot of people that want to make this work right. There are also a lot of people that just want to complain (as I did when potential came out).

I think I've learned that contributing to the game is more important that ********. Putting actual results out for people to see and study instead of just shooting an opinion off at the hip can only help the development of the game. ********, complaining, and not doing your homework before you throw an opinion out into the forums does nothing to improve the game experience.



You are mistaken in your basic assumption that I or anyone else for that matter is required to post something which will improve the game experience.

Just to play devil's advocate; if enough of us quit as opposed to remaining silent and simply taking it up the...and it starts affecting their bottom line...things will change...Im sorry but the way this new engine was put out is unacceptable to many of us and just as you are entitled to your opinion and to share it so are others...
6/8/2010 12:24 PM
Quote: Originally posted by grecianfox on 6/08/2010I don't have any teams that are not High DI and was wondering if people are seeing large margins at the DII and DII levels?

I have one d2 and one d3 d team, they seem pretty normal,

by far the worst has been in conf play in the world that is farthest along, i.e. tark, and even that for some strange reason, seems to be bouncing off the walls less since we all submitted tickets - this sort of thing either will or won't be an issue, we had 3 straight days of multiple 20-50 pt plus home victories in evenly matched games, which caused sully's post in the first place.

many of the conf members there have been together a long time, so we have a pretty good feel for normal and tend to post on the CC when we see something odd. Also, right now 10 or 11 teams from the conf would make the post season, possibly all in the big dance, so it is not a normal conference.
6/8/2010 12:26 PM
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6/8/2010 1:04 PM
Quote: Originally posted by sully712 on 6/08/2010At Georgetown in Tark, I am 9-0 at home and 6-6 on the road.  I have a couple of 50 point wins at home and 40+ point losses on the road.
The margins are too high, but are the games correct for the wins and losses?

We can research the reasons for the margins and maybe get them adjusted.
6/8/2010 1:13 PM
Quote: Originally posted by grecianfox on 6/08/2010Not surprised that CS would be looking at the issue solely based on winning percentage. The margins still do not seem to be working correctly. Stanford's closest home games are 7 and 12 pt wins. The next closest is in the 20s. The team has wins by 53 and 63 pts against torunament rpi teams at home.  Admittedly, I expected to win both games but not by those margins. 
And tickets should address the MOVs. Getting the right games won and lost is most important ... tweaking the MOVs should come next.
6/8/2010 1:16 PM
So you think unrealistic margins have no impact on who should be winning games?
6/8/2010 1:17 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By smackawits on 6/08/2010
For those of you about to quit......when potential came out, imperfectly as this current new engine has been, I quit in disgust. After three seasons away, I just couldn't stand not waking up in the morning and seeing SOME kind of score..perfect or not...and I rejoined. Potential seems to have been fixed (or I got use to it since I've been back). I believe this engine will be fixed also. There are a lot of people that want to make this work right. There are also a lot of people that just want to complain (as I did when potential came out).

I think I've learned that contributing to the game is more important that ********. Putting actual results out for people to see and study instead of just shooting an opinion off at the hip can only help the development of the game. ********, complaining, and not doing your homework before you throw an opinion out into the forums does nothing to improve the game experience.

I feel like I am contributing. I'm telling them that the results are crazy and giving examples. They are saying that everythig is fine when it is definitely not fine. Or if it is, explain how these results are happening. Just because they say it is ok does not mean it is.
6/8/2010 1:23 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 6/08/2010So you think unrealistic margins have no impact on who should be winning games
None whatsoever. Things are working as intended.
6/8/2010 1:23 PM
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