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I'd blame pottle and lostmyth.     
12/5/2010 3:08 PM
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A-10 has 5 NTs in last ten seasons. They have been the top conference in Iba for some time
12/5/2010 6:13 PM
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In Knight, all 16 teams in the sweet 16 are from BCS conferences.  
12/5/2010 6:54 PM
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St Joe's makes it to the Final Four in Iba.  That means for the fourth time out of five years, a "mid major" has made it to the final four.  Last year, Wyoming made it.  Year before, Rhode Island won it.  2  years before Xavier made it.     
12/6/2010 8:05 AM
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8 of 32 non-bcs schools left in NT DI Crum.
12/7/2010 10:12 AM
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With only 30% of NonBCS teams coached by humans, what does this tell us?  To quote Dan Marino, I'd say, "Not Much!"

12/7/2010 11:10 AM
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Posted by Rails on 12/7/2010 11:10:00 AM (view original):

With only 30% of NonBCS teams coached by humans, what does this tell us?  To quote Dan Marino, I'd say, "Not Much!"

or more to the point it says that 25% of the final 32 teams left in the tournament are from non-bcs schools.  if there were more humans coaching non-bcs teams i think the number may be higher, not lower.  we disagree on that point.  my submission has always been that a human-coached non-bcs team have a better chance of being successful versus your theory of a higher human population in non-bcs conferences would somehow dilute the talent and non-bcs schools would perform worse on the national stage.  i don't buy that theory at all. 

anyway, the majority of my posts in this particular forum are fact-based hard numbers and not theories and the numbers merit out that non-bcs schools can still compete on the national stage.  at least to the point of being in the top 35 teams in the country. 
12/7/2010 11:30 AM (edited)
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That would only be the case if there were less humans coaching at the BCS schools.  This is proven when new worlds start.  Obviously once humans enter the lower levels of DI, those schools dominate the NT, not the sim-run BCS schools.  This would prove your point with fact-based numbers even more!!!

Sims aren't their competion.  Neither the 25% of humans at the midmajors nor 90+% at the BCS schools would label sim run teams as their competition.  It's a law of numbers.  25 schools fighting for 75 recruits is a lot different than 50 or 75 schools fighting for the same 75 recruits.

That said I agree that some nonBCS teams can be successful.  No doubt they can.  NonBCS teams around the Los Angeles, NY, Texas, Salt Lake or Louisana areas have a better shot than certain BCS teams.  I'd actually encourage WIS to test it.  Comp Girtty or whomever is one of the Top D1 coaches out there and place him in Hawaii in an established world and see how it plays out.  Same coach, Same strategy, same everything....different result.  That's an issue imho.  That's not "Whatif" as much as it would be "as is."  And it's probably why HD is so popular!

12/7/2010 4:17 PM (edited)
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Rails, somehow you've turned this into the problem with recruit generation based upon geography.  the flame is still lit on that one?  that might actually qualify as a crusade at this point.  something to look into.
12/7/2010 7:54 PM
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Of course it's recruiting issue--not only geographic but also sims recruiting.  Dah.  Neighboring sim schools don't recruit in one's own backyard if they are sims therefore humans are going to get the better local players.  Let's not pretend it's about vast amounts of coaching skill--players win games. 

If the same coach is at Utah in two worlds but in Crum the other 4 Utah schools are sims and in Naismith the other four are humans--he's going to get different results using exacty the same strategy or stragety as I like to call it.  It ain't rocket science.   Success is mostly about recruiting--rl coaches will tell you that.  And it's espcially true in HD where actual strategic coaching is perhaps .1% of what it is irl.  You can't spin straw into gold.

12/8/2010 12:05 AM
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