Posted by willgibson on 7/7/2011 4:41:00 (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 11:39:00 PM (view original):
Obama can survive the occasional mistake. Palin lost that wiggle room with the whole "We can see Russia from here" line. 

Of course she never actually said that.

You are confusing her with Tina Fey.

Really, she didn't say that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk8moOxzlGQ

Every time I see this, I think about the stricken looks in the McCain HQ and I can't stop laughing!

Posted by willgibson on 7/7/2011 4:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 7:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2011 4:47:00 AM (view original):
Obama was handed his state Senate seat. He won the Senate seat without a shot being fired. He never really had a job that had any kind of standard of performance. So take away school and what has he done.

Palin fought for everything she got.

Beauty Queen
PTA
Husbands business
Mayor
Governor
Head of Alaskan oil and gas Commission

She went out and took on life.

Oh my God. I can't stop laughing.

When I compare Obama to Palin I cannot stop laughing at the media portraying him as a genius and her as stupid. That is pretty funny.

This guy has never really accomplished anything on his own before running for President.

Yes, because beauty queen, PTA, working in her husband's business and getting herself appointed to a partisan commission rank as major life accomplishments. As opposed to being named editor of the Harvard Law Review. Jesus wept.

Posted by The Taint on 7/7/2011 10:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 11:39:00 PM (view original):
Obama can survive the occasional mistake. Palin lost that wiggle room with the whole "We can see Russia from here" line. 

Of course she never actually said that.

You are confusing her with Tina Fey.

Close enough.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

Posted by rcrusso on 7/7/2011 4:28:00 PM (view original):
What you must understand is, the right has found what they believe will be a winning strategy............VICTIMHOOD!
Ask swamp, he has been working it full time for several years now.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/8/2011 1:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/7/2011 4:41:00 (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 11:39:00 PM (view original):
Obama can survive the occasional mistake. Palin lost that wiggle room with the whole "We can see Russia from here" line. 

Of course she never actually said that.

You are confusing her with Tina Fey.

Really, she didn't say that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk8moOxzlGQ

Every time I see this, I think about the stricken looks in the McCain HQ and I can't stop laughing!

And thank you for posting that clip. No she didnt say it.

Again, for everyone that didnt see the whole Couric Interview, I would assume that would be almost all of you, she was trying to sound more important and she said that Alaska bordered on Russia. A true statement. She was padding her resume.

Of course at that point NBC jumped on it, like they usually do for a Cons gaffe.

I am waiting for MSNBC to give an Obama gaffe the same coverage!

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/8/2011 1:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/7/2011 4:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/7/2011 4:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by willgibson on 7/6/2011 7:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 7/6/2011 4:47:00 AM (view original):
Obama was handed his state Senate seat. He won the Senate seat without a shot being fired. He never really had a job that had any kind of standard of performance. So take away school and what has he done.

Palin fought for everything she got.

Beauty Queen
PTA
Husbands business
Mayor
Governor
Head of Alaskan oil and gas Commission

She went out and took on life.

Oh my God. I can't stop laughing.

When I compare Obama to Palin I cannot stop laughing at the media portraying him as a genius and her as stupid. That is pretty funny.

This guy has never really accomplished anything on his own before running for President.

Yes, because beauty queen, PTA, working in her husband's business and getting herself appointed to a partisan commission rank as major life accomplishments. As opposed to being named editor of the Harvard Law Review. Jesus wept.

Again that is a school accomplishment. Being smart in school and being able to translate that into real world skills is something that not everyone can do. Palin did, Bachmann did, Obama not so much!

I think he is saying that Mike, and if you think about it, it's hard to argue.

It seems to me that as much as our nation says otherwise, they will not actually elect an "outsider" or a non-politician.  As much as we "hate politicians", the non-politician stands almost no chance of actually winning a major office.  In this country, we find charisma to be an extremely desirable and electable trait.  That, along with the ability to handle the media with smoothness.  I was not a fan of Clinton, but that guy could sell you used wallpaper.  And he turned out to be reasonably okay president - especially compared with what we have now.  Reagan had the ability to deal with mistakes cleanly also.  We tend to elect one because we can't stand the other guy.

I think you'd find people like Abraham Lincoln and James Madison unelectable in today's age.  Our society, led by the media (to varying degrees against both major parties), tend to run with sound bites, appearances, attractiveness, etc., and not the total package of the candidates.  Although I never worked in the media myself, my father did for 40 years, on the newspaper side, so I've seen it up close.  They not only have an agenda, but they actually do push it - even to point of forcing stories to be written from their perspective. 

When it comes to Bachmann, I think she's more polished than Palin, but I don't see her as a candidate who can win - as much as I believe in the same principles. 

The bottom line to me is that we need someone who can take on the current president head on and stand toe to toe in a debate or media setting.  I think Chris Christie or Rick Perry can do that - Romney to a lesser extent.  I think Cain can hang in there on domestic issues, but he would need a lot of help on foreign policy (but then again that didn't seem to matter with Obama).  Most of the rest of the field, while they might share my views, seem to be too 'nice' to really win a fight against a polished politician with the media squarely on his side.

I've read some stories about Lincoln, and it sounds like he was a very shrewd politician who surrounded himself with savvy handlers.  He was a nobody going into the primaries, and won by very adroit handling and manipulation of the crowd.  He would win today. 

I hope neither Bachman nor Palen get anywhere near having actual power.   Neither appear very presidential, and neither would do well in the big chair IMO.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 8:04:00 AM (view original):
I find this odd:

"Two, she took her original gaffe and compounded with her statements here. It's sort of like trying to snuff off the fire by throwing gasoline on it. Which ought to tell everybody she was not ready for prime time. Letting her anywhere near a live mike without a script and a babysitter ranks as one of the stupidest decisions in modern political campaigns. Contrast how Obama threw a blanket over Biden after he made some gaffes to inoculate himself and you'll see the difference between a politician who is ready for the show."

Essentially, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying Obama is better at being a politician.    Is that really what we want/need?

Posted by silentpadna on 7/8/2011 8:26:00 AM (view original):

I think he is saying that Mike, and if you think about it, it's hard to argue.

It seems to me that as much as our nation says otherwise, they will not actually elect an "outsider" or a non-politician.  As much as we "hate politicians", the non-politician stands almost no chance of actually winning a major office.  In this country, we find charisma to be an extremely desirable and electable trait.  That, along with the ability to handle the media with smoothness.  I was not a fan of Clinton, but that guy could sell you used wallpaper.  And he turned out to be reasonably okay president - especially compared with what we have now.  Reagan had the ability to deal with mistakes cleanly also.  We tend to elect one because we can't stand the other guy.

I think you'd find people like Abraham Lincoln and James Madison unelectable in today's age.  Our society, led by the media (to varying degrees against both major parties), tend to run with sound bites, appearances, attractiveness, etc., and not the total package of the candidates.  Although I never worked in the media myself, my father did for 40 years, on the newspaper side, so I've seen it up close.  They not only have an agenda, but they actually do push it - even to point of forcing stories to be written from their perspective. 

When it comes to Bachmann, I think she's more polished than Palin, but I don't see her as a candidate who can win - as much as I believe in the same principles. 

The bottom line to me is that we need someone who can take on the current president head on and stand toe to toe in a debate or media setting.  I think Chris Christie or Rick Perry can do that - Romney to a lesser extent.  I think Cain can hang in there on domestic issues, but he would need a lot of help on foreign policy (but then again that didn't seem to matter with Obama).  Most of the rest of the field, while they might share my views, seem to be too 'nice' to really win a fight against a polished politician with the media squarely on his side.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/8/2011 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Oh, I wouldn't argue.   I hate to listen to Obama speak because I end up liking the guy when I do.  I believe what he's selling.  Unfortunately, tomorrow comes and what he stands for, and wants, doesn't work for me.    In a political forum, I think he wrecks everyone the Repubs have out there.  I'm just not sure we need 4 more years of "politician". 

FWIW, and I'm sure some will disagree, I think it's hard for Americans to accept a woman's voice as a voice in power.   There is a "shrillness" when they speak with passion and I don't think we like it.   It's sounds emotional.   I can't think of a President with a high-pitched voice in my life. 

Posted by meloidogyne on 7/8/2011 2:14:00 PM (view original):

I've read some stories about Lincoln, and it sounds like he was a very shrewd politician who surrounded himself with savvy handlers.  He was a nobody going into the primaries, and won by very adroit handling and manipulation of the crowd.  He would win today. 

I hope neither Bachman nor Palen get anywhere near having actual power.   Neither appear very presidential, and neither would do well in the big chair IMO.

Posted by rcrusso on 7/8/2011 4:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by meloidogyne on 7/8/2011 2:14:00 PM (view original):

I've read some stories about Lincoln, and it sounds like he was a very shrewd politician who surrounded himself with savvy handlers.  He was a nobody going into the primaries, and won by very adroit handling and manipulation of the crowd.  He would win today. 

I hope neither Bachman nor Palen get anywhere near having actual power.   Neither appear very presidential, and neither would do well in the big chair IMO.

Primaries were not part of the process when Lincoln was running for office. Other then that you are correct.