shoe helped me a lot so I'm not trying to be "all up in his bidness" but it seems like he wants to "punish" users with EE. While most are colossal whinebags, that's not my concern. I just think first time users have little to no reason to be 2nd season users based on the current set up. You don't get the full experience and you probably lose a lot. 1st seasons suck.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 3:54:00 PM (view original):
First seasons are not fun. Nor do you learn a damn thing about recruiting.

Do you dispute either of those premises?

And, please, do not pretend you know what my gripe is "probably" more to do with. IF my conference had not been full of users I knew from HBD, I would not have played a 2nd season. You know why? Because the game was not fun and I did not learn a damn thing about recruiting.

Well yes. I dispute both. I don’t dispute that you didn’t have fun. Your experience is your experience. But it isn’t universal. People can certainly learn lots about recruiting that first season. That seems so self-evident I can barely imagine why you’d even argue it. Maybe you “didn’t learn a damn thing” but again, your experience isn’t universal, and at this point it’s speculation to talk about why people don’t stick with the game. All that aside, the point remains, there are lots of things to do beside blow up one of the biggest features of 3.0, in-season recruiting, if it is determined that not recruiting any players for the first season of play is a problem for retention.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 4:35:00 PM (view original):
shoe helped me a lot so I'm not trying to be "all up in his bidness" but it seems like he wants to "punish" users with EE. While most are colossal whinebags, that's not my concern. I just think first time users have little to no reason to be 2nd season users based on the current set up. You don't get the full experience and you probably lose a lot. 1st seasons suck.

The 2 sessions intent was to give bored A.D.D. users with sucky teams something to do during the regular season. The idea created many more issues than it solved.

Is Seble big enough to see that/admit the mistake and correct?

Well, I hate to sound like benis but world populations tell you something about new user retention. For people enjoying themselves, they're not sticking around to enjoy themselves for a 2nd season.

The one thing I learned, under an alias(poiuyt), is that you have to re-up before RS2 to actually sign players. I know I was super-thrilled to find that I'd put a lot of work into scouting/recruiting only to have it not matter since I wasn't around to reap benefits. Maybe people enjoy that. I did not.

Posted by shoe3 on 10/4/2017 4:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 3:54:00 PM (view original):
First seasons are not fun. Nor do you learn a damn thing about recruiting.

Do you dispute either of those premises?

And, please, do not pretend you know what my gripe is "probably" more to do with. IF my conference had not been full of users I knew from HBD, I would not have played a 2nd season. You know why? Because the game was not fun and I did not learn a damn thing about recruiting.

Well yes. I dispute both. I don’t dispute that you didn’t have fun. Your experience is your experience. But it isn’t universal. People can certainly learn lots about recruiting that first season. That seems so self-evident I can barely imagine why you’d even argue it. Maybe you “didn’t learn a damn thing” but again, your experience isn’t universal, and at this point it’s speculation to talk about why people don’t stick with the game. All that aside, the point remains, there are lots of things to do beside blow up one of the biggest features of 3.0, in-season recruiting, if it is determined that not recruiting any players for the first season of play is a problem for retention.

The biggest features of 3.0 were ;
1) no more post season conference cash
2) no more carryover money
3) the introduction of preferences to enable weak prestige schools to compete with higher prestige schools
4) the capping of CVs and HVs (ie dumbing down recruiting).

Do weak coaches really need even more to even the playing field? Should we add a 3rd post season tournament so that everyone can feel like a winner?

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 4:47:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hate to sound like benis but world populations tell you something about new user retention. For people enjoying themselves, they're not sticking around to enjoy themselves for a 2nd season.

The one thing I learned, under an alias(poiuyt), is that you have to re-up before RS2 to actually sign players. I know I was super-thrilled to find that I'd put a lot of work into scouting/recruiting only to have it not matter since I wasn't around to reap benefits. Maybe people enjoy that. I did not.

Yeah you two sound like alt accounts now..
"MenisT23"

Aren't HV/CV restricted by the NCAA? REALISM!!!!!

Posted by mullycj on 10/4/2017 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 4:47:00 PM (view original):
Well, I hate to sound like benis but world populations tell you something about new user retention. For people enjoying themselves, they're not sticking around to enjoy themselves for a 2nd season.

The one thing I learned, under an alias(poiuyt), is that you have to re-up before RS2 to actually sign players. I know I was super-thrilled to find that I'd put a lot of work into scouting/recruiting only to have it not matter since I wasn't around to reap benefits. Maybe people enjoy that. I did not.

Yeah you two sound like alt accounts now..
"MenisT23"

With our powers combined!

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2017 4:51:00 PM (view original):
Aren't HV/CV restricted by the NCAA? REALISM!!!!!

Yeah you can visit a recruits home 20 times in a 6 hour period.

#Realism.

Point is that the NCAA puts all sorts of restrictions on contact. Putting a cap on HV/CV, in this GAME, isn't necessarily dumbing it down. It's just putting restrictions on activity to improve gameplay. Dumping 87 CV on a recruit isn't some brilliant strategy that few users would think to do, it's just having a **** ton of resources and a desire to use them on one recruit.

Isn't CHOOSING to use all the schollies resources on only one recruit a strategy? Like SPUD says, there should be multiple strategies to land a recruit...

Does anyone remember the days of bribing players? It was rarely used, but since all the hoopla around college basketball right now with Petrino firing with recruiting/cheating it would be a creative twist.

Give Coaches the ability to sign contracts with Nike/Adidas/Gatorade type deals to help with the prestige of the program. But it would cost you AP's, HV, or CV's.

Just day dreaming.

Posted by mullycj on 10/4/2017 5:33:00 PM (view original):
Isn't CHOOSING to use all the schollies resources on only one recruit a strategy? Like SPUD says, there should be multiple strategies to land a recruit...

It's a "strategy" but it's not unique. Not allowing it isn't "dumbing down" the game. As everyone tells me, I don't know **** about D1 because I haven't played it in 10+ years but, hell, I thought of it. And you know it leads to other issues like multiple walk-ons. Which leads, of course, to "hoarding" resources so you can do the same thing again next season. And, possibly, the season after that.

Anyway, the NCAA puts all sorts of restrictions on recruit contact. Doing it in this game seems reasonable.

I would have preferred a per cycle HV cap versus an absolute cap.