Posted by captmurphy on 7/12/2019 12:27:00 PM (view original):
I'm guessing he meant if you haven't updated the draft on the front page with who has been picked. It's a fair point, but a quick scroll through should show who has been taken.

Obviously I am in favor of trying it, otherwise what ends up happening is a person who misses their time slot gets an indefinite amount of protected time to make a pick since only one person every 30 minutes can draft.

Gotcha. That makes sense.

You can still show up at your time and draft. That doesn't change, and this actually allows you to draft on time instead of waiting for someone who has not drafted yet. There is literally no reason to vote against this if you hold your timing dear.

I'm in favor of speeding up the draft. There will still be plenty of time to plan and pick with this change.

I'll try and lay out the example:

Let's say 23 of 24 owner had submitted their 2nd round picks (including Owner A). Owner A house gets flooded cause he lives in New Orleans.

Sin receives the final protect in the morning while Owner's A house is flooding... posts a schedule that picks begin the following day.

Now Owner A finally checks WIS on the day of and realizes he missed his pick and if everyone else is on-line, he essentially now gets last pick (since nobody has to wait as the picks go off in rapid succession). Even if there is a pause (say one owner isn't on-line for a bit), between the time he looks at who's available and using the Draft center to find an available pick, he now goes to post and finds X picks now have gone thru blocking his pick in some manner and back to the draft center he goes).

Now, the solution would be to allow the skipped player to post "I'm HERE, and wish to post a pick" and that signals everyone to NOT post their pick, reverting back to time slots.

I understand everyone's frustration with owners who seem to go MIA but don't make it so frustrating that if for some reason you can't get online at the said time, they can't get some time of window of time to post a pick (they already have to gleam thru a number of posts to figure out an accurate list, don't make the list always moving at what could be break neck speeds).

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Posted by sakensei on 7/12/2019 12:39:00 PM (view original):
You can still show up at your time and draft. That doesn't change, and this actually allows you to draft on time instead of waiting for someone who has not drafted yet. There is literally no reason to vote against this if you hold your timing dear.

This is already true NOW.

What you want is because you are on-line 24/7 (maybe), you don't want to wait until your time arrives due to one person not showing up. If the owner at 8AM is skipped, instead of waiting until 2 PM and all owners in between are available, you'd rather have everyone pick by 9AM so you can post at 9:01 (instead of waiting until 2).

What I'm pointing out is that if you are the poor SOB who missed his slot due to being in a meeting, rush back to your desk to see player X got taken plus 5 others, go to the draft center to find a "new" available player, then go to type in a post saying "Player X", press Refresh and find N new posts have come in...

It's convenient to use the absolute most extreme example as a counter argument as opposed to something more common like "I missed a few picks more than I should have because I had a sudden meeting."


Again, an extreme example like that would not be as infringing if this league didn't have the long history of delays that it does. It's much easier if we have one or two delays every other draft to just say "dang, something came up" and put a pin in things until we hear from someone. When there are multiple delays per round from multiple people in each draft then it becomes harder to give the benefit of the doubt.

In short: if everyone were considerate to the league then we wouldn't even be discussing this in the first place.

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I'll put it one more way:

I've been in this league for literally eight and a half years now and there are some of you that have been around even longer than that.

When the thread goes up, I understand that there will be a draft that will end up timed. And I understand that there are 23 other people who will potentially be left twisting in the wind if I'm MIA. So if I know something is going to be coming up (I'll be at a wedding tomorrow, heads up everybody) I will post so, and if an emergency came up then I will apologize and say that something came up.

There are regulars who don't take such accountability, who will drag a draft along and neither give any heads up nor own up to having delayed the draft, and because of that lack of communication the only conclusion we are left to draw is that they are just being inconsiderate of everyone else in the league. That is what bugs me.The delays themselves are not the problem.

Why change anything? No need to further penalize late picks just so impatient people can pick ahead of schedule. A better solution would be to spread out the schedule so there isn't so much dead time. And remind busy people to use proxy picks. untimed schedules never work in this theme so stop relying on them.

Posted by rbow923 on 7/12/2019 1:09:00 PM (view original):
Why change anything? No need to further penalize late picks just so impatient people can pick ahead of schedule. A better solution would be to spread out the schedule so there isn't so much dead time. And remind busy people to use proxy picks. untimed schedules never work in this theme so stop relying on them.

When I first started playing in this league, each round was spread over two days, and each owner had an hour to pick. At some point fairly early in my tenure as commish, we switched that to 30 minutes per pick so each round took one day. I don't sense much appetite to go back to the old method.

But I think everyone can agree that more use of proxy picks would help a lot.

Posted by rbow923 on 7/12/2019 1:09:00 PM (view original):
Why change anything? No need to further penalize late picks just so impatient people can pick ahead of schedule. A better solution would be to spread out the schedule so there isn't so much dead time. And remind busy people to use proxy picks. untimed schedules never work in this theme so stop relying on them.

A bunch of owners are annoyed at how long/rude some people are about every step of the process. These owners are trying to make suggestions to ameliorate those problems. Thought that was self-evident, dude.

We've had people leave for literal days at a time on planned trips and not give the courtesy of a heads up so people could stop checking or move on. It's a waste of everyone's time. At a minimum people need to be more conscientious about it.

I agree that there is a problem (dude?). Not agreeing with the proposed solution, either we have schedule or we don't, no hybrid untimed but not really segments. Maybe repeat offenders can be goodbeefed.

Spreading out the draft is definitely not the answer.
That just makes the process take longer and that’s what we don’t want. I don’t have a problem with the new proposal. It will only affect the owner/owners whose time slots have come and gone. Eg. owners 9:00am to 2:00pm have picked. Owner 2:30pm hasn’t shown up for his slot. 3:00pm owner shows up at 3:10pm makes his pick then owners 3:30pm thru 7:00pm are all online and make their picks in proper order but complete this at 4:00pm. 7:30 owner is next up. Well nobody can jump in front of him until 8:01 pm when his slot had past. I don’t have any issue with this. Obviously MIA owners can pick when they get back in the game. Any unavailable players is a consequence of being late.

In the end I think we're going to still get frustrated as now the individual rounds will go faster, but we still won't be able to finish the draft any quicker as getting people to get thru all the rounds will still take the same amount of time (so instead of drafting taking 18 hours for everyone, 23 owners will finish up in 4 hours, 1 owner will be MIA for another 14 hours and it still takes 18 hours to complete).

By the way, I don't have a problem either with the new proposal other than it sucking having to check 2 pages of post (if sin hasn't had the time to update the main post) just prior to my pressing the "Submit Post" button in the event *multiple* owners have posted in the time its taken to find an available player.