Now if I was born of Muslim parents with a Christian grandmother and was Muslim and believed that Jesus was an ordinary human with human parents who did no miracles and died and did not come back to life would any church say yeah you are a Christian.

they might say you lead a Christian like life but you do not have a Christian faith.
when you come to church you are a warmly embraced guest but not a Christian.

These rules and requirements to decide for folks just what is acceptable/OK/good enough for consideration to be Jewish sounds to me like hogshit required by some secret lodge/club I wouldn't want to have any part of!!

Like I heard somewhere any "club" that would have me as a member I want no part of!!

Let's argue about how PURE one has to be to be considered white.
It's just about as useful.

Posted by laramiebob on 6/23/2021 3:50:00 PM (view original):
These rules and requirements to decide for folks just what is acceptable/OK/good enough for consideration to be Jewish sounds to me like hogshit required by some secret lodge/club I wouldn't want to have any part of!!

Like I heard somewhere any "club" that would have me as a member I want no part of!!

Let's argue about how PURE one has to be to be considered white.
It's just about as useful.

You don’t have the right to tell religions how to define their members and the rules or their tenants.

if no Jewish denomination accepts Jews for Jesus people as Jews ( even if born Jewish ) then how can a Tangplay be Jewish.


get real.
and get respect

I'm pretty real Dino and I know the difference between a "tenant" and a tenet.

And I doubt you get to be the authority supreme on Tangplay's membership in much of anything.
I think you should get realer and stop acting like Napoleon round these parts.

You'd perhaps gain some respect yourself.

So for anyone who doesn't know, dino is full of ****.

Whether or not you are Jewish or not by heritage is determined by your mother's side. My mom and her mom and her mom and her mom... etc. are all Jewish. If I had a kid with a non-Jewish mother, my kid would not be Jewish. If my sister has a kid, they will be Jewish.

This is common knowledge and anyone who wonders can look up "Jewish Matrilineage" to read up on it.

There is no one "Jewish law" and even if there was, nowhere in it would you find a line about how Matrilineality is cancelled if you are also Christian. That's not a thing.

Any source you look up will give you the answer I just supplied, but here's one just to prove that I'm not making it up:
https://www.jewishboston.com/read/ive-heard-that-judaism-is-passed-down-through-the-mother-is-it-true-does-it-matter/

According to traditional Jewish law, a person’s Jewish status is passed down through the mother.

The tradition of matrilineal descent dates back at least to late antiquity. Why rabbinic Judaism embraced matrilineal descent is not entirely known. The often-repeated (though not necessarily true) reason given is that the identity of the mother is always certain, but not that of the father. Alternatively, it may have been influenced by the Roman legal system for determining personal status or from earlier rabbinic discussions regarding animals.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ask-the-expert-matrilineal-descent/

According to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the mother. So, if your mother was Jewish, you are too. This position is held by most members of the Conservative and Orthodox communities. The Reform movement recognizes the children of one Jewish parent — mother or father — as a Member of the Tribe if the child is raised Jewish.

Now, in a religious sense, you cannot be both Jewish and Christian. But, I have been very clear about being a Christian in religion with Jewish heritage. The "Jewish law" would agree with me on that. And nowhere in that "law" will you find that matrilineage is cancelled by Christianity.

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Posted by dino27 on 6/23/2021 10:11:00 AM (view original):
No - it is one thing to call out people for thinking that their way is the only way but you should not bash people for the content of their beliefs unless ithose beliefs are designed to spread hatred or violence.

full disclosure - I once mocked people for things I felt were “wrong” so i was there once but I have evolved on those issues and you should too.

you mean like the way you constantly bash and mock tangplay for his belief that he is Jewish?

No idiot - I don’t bash his Christian belief.
only that he thinks it is fine to say he is definitional Jewish according to Jewish law which he is not.

im not sure if you can understand the difference.

who's the idiot? I didn't say you bash his Christian belief. I said you bash him for saying he is Jewish. Which you do.

As you should do if you had any self respect.

really? I should bash a guy because he chooses to say he's Jewish, and if I had any self respect I would? Why? How does that hurt me? How does it hurt you. Maybe if you had any decency, you would leave him alone. You don't agree with him? Fine. You think he is an idiot? Fine. By now we alll know how you feel about him. No reason to keep harping on it.

Posted by laramiebob on 6/23/2021 5:31:00 PM (view original):
I'm pretty real Dino and I know the difference between a "tenant" and a tenet.

And I doubt you get to be the authority supreme on Tangplay's membership in much of anything.
I think you should get realer and stop acting like Napoleon round these parts.

You'd perhaps gain some respect yourself.

You are wrong. Facts are facts whether you like it or not.

Posted by tangplay on 6/23/2021 5:39:00 PM (view original):
So for anyone who doesn't know, dino is full of ****.

Whether or not you are Jewish or not by heritage is determined by your mother's side. My mom and her mom and her mom and her mom... etc. are all Jewish. If I had a kid with a non-Jewish mother, my kid would not be Jewish. If my sister has a kid, they will be Jewish.

This is common knowledge and anyone who wonders can look up "Jewish Matrilineage" to read up on it.

There is no one "Jewish law" and even if there was, nowhere in it would you find a line about how Matrilineality is cancelled if you are also Christian. That's not a thing.

Wrong - your mother converted to Christianity before you were born. You had a Christian mother.

Posted by tangplay on 6/23/2021 5:44:00 PM (view original):
Now, in a religious sense, you cannot be both Jewish and Christian. But, I have been very clear about being a Christian in religion with Jewish heritage. The "Jewish law" would agree with me on that. And nowhere in that "law" will you find that matrilineage is cancelled by Christianity.

Wrong - you are not a Jew because of your religion.I am correct and you are wrong but you can call yourself Jewish if it makes you feel good.

I never ever said you do not have Jewish heritage.
but you are not Jewish. You have Jewish heritage.

you can always convert and become a self hating Jew.

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Posted by dino27 on 6/23/2021 10:11:00 AM (view original):
No - it is one thing to call out people for thinking that their way is the only way but you should not bash people for the content of their beliefs unless ithose beliefs are designed to spread hatred or violence.

full disclosure - I once mocked people for things I felt were “wrong” so i was there once but I have evolved on those issues and you should too.

you mean like the way you constantly bash and mock tangplay for his belief that he is Jewish?

No idiot - I don’t bash his Christian belief.
only that he thinks it is fine to say he is definitional Jewish according to Jewish law which he is not.

im not sure if you can understand the difference.

who's the idiot? I didn't say you bash his Christian belief. I said you bash him for saying he is Jewish. Which you do.

As you should do if you had any self respect.

really? I should bash a guy because he chooses to say he's Jewish, and if I had any self respect I would? Why? How does that hurt me? How does it hurt you. Maybe if you had any decency, you would leave him alone. You don't agree with him? Fine. You think he is an idiot? Fine. By now we alll know how you feel about him. No reason to keep harping on it.

If he disrespects the Jewish definition of who can call themselves a Jew I will correct him.

you should salute me you instead of being a hobo kiss ***.

Posted by tangplay on 6/23/2021 5:42:00 PM (view original):
Any source you look up will give you the answer I just supplied, but here's one just to prove that I'm not making it up:
https://www.jewishboston.com/read/ive-heard-that-judaism-is-passed-down-through-the-mother-is-it-true-does-it-matter/

According to traditional Jewish law, a person’s Jewish status is passed down through the mother.

The tradition of matrilineal descent dates back at least to late antiquity. Why rabbinic Judaism embraced matrilineal descent is not entirely known. The often-repeated (though not necessarily true) reason given is that the identity of the mother is always certain, but not that of the father. Alternatively, it may have been influenced by the Roman legal system for determining personal status or from earlier rabbinic discussions regarding animals.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ask-the-expert-matrilineal-descent/

According to traditional Jewish law (halacha), Jewishness is passed down through the mother. So, if your mother was Jewish, you are too. This position is held by most members of the Conservative and Orthodox communities. The Reform movement recognizes the children of one Jewish parent — mother or father — as a Member of the Tribe if the child is raised Jewish.

Good article you found. I thought of mentioning it.
problem is that your mother left the Jewish community and became a Christian and then had you.
she retained rights to entry to Israel for herself but she was no longer Jewish.

You can’t confuse Israel’s protective umbrella over degrees of Jewish blood with being considered Jewish under Jewish law and tradition.

your mother is considered a special kind of Christian for Israeli citizenship.

the Jewish religion as crazy as this might be to you does not have category for people of the Christian faith.

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Posted by dino27 on 6/23/2021 10:11:00 AM (view original):
No - it is one thing to call out people for thinking that their way is the only way but you should not bash people for the content of their beliefs unless ithose beliefs are designed to spread hatred or violence.

full disclosure - I once mocked people for things I felt were “wrong” so i was there once but I have evolved on those issues and you should too.

you mean like the way you constantly bash and mock tangplay for his belief that he is Jewish?

No idiot - I don’t bash his Christian belief.
only that he thinks it is fine to say he is definitional Jewish according to Jewish law which he is not.

im not sure if you can understand the difference.

who's the idiot? I didn't say you bash his Christian belief. I said you bash him for saying he is Jewish. Which you do.

As you should do if you had any self respect.

really? I should bash a guy because he chooses to say he's Jewish, and if I had any self respect I would? Why? How does that hurt me? How does it hurt you. Maybe if you had any decency, you would leave him alone. You don't agree with him? Fine. You think he is an idiot? Fine. By now we alll know how you feel about him. No reason to keep harping on it.

If he disrespects the Jewish definition of who can call themselves a Jew I will correct him.

you should salute me you instead of being a hobo kiss ***.

who's *** am I supposedly kissing? Not yours, that is for sure. You sir, are an egotistical jerk who is not as smart as he thinks he is. The only salute I'd give you is the one finger kind.