Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/1/2023 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 5/1/2023 12:19:00 AM (view original):
I don't care about anyone else's religion either, and if their religion or faith gives them peace of mind and a better life, who am I to judge it. On the other hand, I don't like being told often that I am going to hell because I don't believe what someone else believes.

You phrase that so well. If you end up in hell, Wylie, it will be because your heard the Gospel and refused to believe. You rejected God's Son, Jesus Christ. Know why God hates pride? Because it is what separates us from knowing him.

You need to admit you are a sinner and cannot save yourself. That, for you is probably the hard part

But HAS he "heard the gospel"?
I mean I'm certain he's heard OF it.
I'm certain he's seen plenty of hypocrites pointing their finger at him and judging him.
I'm fairly certain he's seen many so-called Christians acting anything but Christ like in personal dealings and of course all over TV.

One thing I find disheartening is that most "Christians" don't understand that there are legitimate reasonable objections to a lot of what is taught in the Bible.

If you look at it all through a secular lens and openly evaluate you may come to valid conclusions that are different than what mainstream Christianity purport to be the "Truth".

The only way one actually comes to Christ is throught intervention of the Holy Spirit.

To insist "well, I've told you about the Gospel and yet you still refused Christ, so you're damned" isn't really a very compelling reason for a non-believer to change his mind.
In fact, it probably reinforces the notion that "religious folks" are to be avoided.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/1/2023 1:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 5/1/2023 12:19:00 AM (view original):
I don't care about anyone else's religion either, and if their religion or faith gives them peace of mind and a better life, who am I to judge it. On the other hand, I don't like being told often that I am going to hell because I don't believe what someone else believes.

You phrase that so well. If you end up in hell, Wylie, it will be because your heard the Gospel and refused to believe. You rejected God's Son, Jesus Christ. Know why God hates pride? Because it is what separates us from knowing him.

You need to admit you are a sinner and cannot save yourself. That, for you is probably the hard part

When you get personal and start to badger someone or tell them personally that they will go to Hades that is wrong and morally wrong. That is when you trespass.

Also there is a tremendous difference between rejection and not accepting or agreeing.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/1/2023 12:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker3 on 5/1/2023 12:30:00 PM (view original):
you are a worm

Huh? I started off as a jellyfish. don't you evol folks know anything?

I read the evolution thing, and it sounds like a fairy tale. Most absurd rubbish I have ever seen

Ha,,,the guy who believes every word he reads in the Bible says evolution sounds like a fairy tale!!! LMAO

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 5/1/2023 1:16:00 AM (view original):
I understand where you are coming from on the hell issue.As long as it is not excessive I would just ignore it since it not your belief. As disparaging as the remark may be it is part of some people’s faith.
it should not be said in a threatening way. That would be beyond the pale.

telling me once would not be excessive. Telling me 9 or 10 times is excessive. I'm not the only one has told that to either. I don't take it seriously. I know he feels that way because that is what he believes, and I don't have a problem with his beliefs. (Which I have told him many times) He doesn't need to constantly tell us, we all know that is what he believes.


As far as my beliefs, I know I am basically a good person, I don't try to hurt anyone intentionally. I help others when I can. Not sure I believe in heaven and hell (Us heathen Jews do not) If there is a heaven and I'm not allowed in because I did not accept Jesus as God's son, so be it.
And yes, I have sinned. We all have. But maybe I do not believe I need to be saved.

It seems to me that some keep berating people for expressing their opinion - telling someone who chooses to exercise free will that faith is fact.

Telling people in emphatic and somewhat threatening language that faith is fact is at the crux of pushback and discord.

Without accepting to each their own and that others have absolutely no fear of the consequences of their logic and analysis and doubt and ultimately non belief.

I am very dedicated to the belief that a nation thrives from having as much plurality and diversity as it can.
Obviously telling people that they will go to hell is extremely disrespectful and maybe fanatical. I believe in Freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion being pushed upon them.

I think this stuff is rather boring and I would love to see it wither away.

Posted by Mwett on 5/1/2023 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 5/1/2023 7:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 5/1/2023 12:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker3 on 5/1/2023 12:30:00 PM (view original):
you are a worm

Huh? I started off as a jellyfish. don't you evol folks know anything?

I read the evolution thing, and it sounds like a fairy tale. Most absurd rubbish I have ever seen

Ha,,,the guy who believes every word he reads in the Bible says evolution sounds like a fairy tale!!! LMAO

WHOA ! Stay in your lane. You're out of your depth here.

" On the first day God CREATED . . . "

I don't mind much you giving ***-for-tat to the weird one. I wish he'd lighten up as well. As I've said many times to him and others both private and here, and someone just mentioned as well, he pushes others away more than lets them see God/Jesus shine. On the other hand, YOU might want to try less instigating.

I thought you had me blocked?? How is voicing my opinion that not everything written in the Bible not staying in my lane?? Its my opinion, so voicing it is staying in my lane. You don't agree? Fine. Do I tell you to stay in your lane? No, you are entitled to your opinion. It might even be right.

You're the one who is out of your depth. You and lnf can't stand for people to have opinions that are different from yours.

and what exactly does quoting the Bible prove?

If Jesus' Resurrection Were A Hoax

The Babylon Bee

Wylie, a Hater??? FFS!!!

That's ridiculous. Wylie is one of the most tolerant folks posting on here.
He has NO rough edges (like I do!)

IMO, he is way too tolerant of some of the ignorance that gets posted around here.

It sure seems that the right-wingers AND the evangelical Christians have become complete snowflakes............Afraid of all other peoples and opinions.
Anything different or Foreign (God forbid!!) they fear so badly it warps their tiny minds! Freaks them out!!

They respond accordingly............by condemning and judging and acting anything BUT Christian.
So Sad.

What kind of real Christian could EVEN contemplate supporting a cretin like Trump as a potential world leader??
It is COMPLETELY transparent who his God is....................and it is decidedly NOT the Creator.
This flawed Man quite obviously worships power and money and His own EGO is his God.
This should be clear to anyone with ears and eyes. And a tad of intelligence and understanding.

But so so many folks have become so self delusional. They have confused comfort-ability for self determination, temporary prosperity for true freedom, dogma for actual belief. It's easier for them that way. It all becomes about "them", fear of the "other guys", instead of self examination, realization, understanding and the spiritual growth that leads to true peace and the Creator's eternal comfort.

IMO, ANYONE who openly supports an evil MAN for leadership (i.e. Trump) is obviously NOT living a Christian existence.
Trump is America's Stalin.

Our largest National embarrassment, of far far too many!!

Posted by Mwett on 5/2/2023 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, my bad. I accidentally peaked when you were copied into someone else's post. You conveniently mislabel me caring about differences of opinion with anyone. I'm the LEAST involved here about dumb stuff like trump non-trump blue/red whatever. I show up cuz it's entertaining. But when you or anyone else show ignorance about my God/Jesus/Bible etc, I'll be there. That's what you did. That's what I responded too. Most ppl are at least smart enough to keep their mouth shut if they think like you. The fact that you would even ask what does the Bible prove is sad sad sad, just like you've been for 20 years long before lnf with others 5 and 10 and 15 years ago and dressing it up cute feigning "I could be wrong/you could be right" when you clearly don't mean it and your intentions only point one very very bad bad direction. People who've never heard of Christ but in their hearts consider the wonder of creation and exclaim 'surely there must be something bigger going on' have a better chance than you and those who publicly scorn him repeatedly. He says if you deny him in this way publicly, on that day He will do the same to you. Good luck with that. I really mean it. I hope somehow someone or something gets thru to you. If not, then at least you could try showing less animosity about it. No one means you any harm, least of all Him. Stop hating.

When someone doesn't believe in the authority or reliability of the Bible, pointing to it as "evidence" is profoundly unproductive if your aim is to have actual honest discourse with that individual and are trying to meet them where they are.

It is as effective as someone quoting the Quran to you to change your perspective.

If that isn't your aim (because you know from experience his heart is hardened or for any other reason whatsoever) why bother engaging at all?

Faith is the belief in something not proven.
Faith is not fact.
The apostles who knew Jesus intimately and saw all of the miracles and Lazarus up close renounced him and were not loyal or brave enough to show their love. I’m not saying that did or did not happen.

So give Wylie a break. He was not there.

I truly respect putting all of your heart and soul into the loving hands of the highest being in accordance with your faith. Faith is fact to you in your heart but it is not when talking to a non believer. Then faith is not fact
.
And it does not mean another should agree.
We were not there. There are no photographs or letters or verifiable witnesses.

Since faith is not fact in the secular world it is horrible to impose upon another with anger and a heavy hand your faith.

Living in a secular society should imbue that creed of mutual respect in every resident and citizen.
And it would leave more space to be concerned with issues of democracy and the environment and gun control and right to have or have not an abortion and political leadership.

When one starts to impose and bully they step into somebody else’s house without permission.

Everything I have just written is my opinion except that faith by definition is not fact.

No where have I said that any tenets of any style of Christianity is wrong or right. I respect other people’s faith and their right to have it.

Posted by Lennybruce26 on 5/2/2023 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Faith is the belief in something not proven.
Faith is not fact.
The apostles who knew Jesus intimately and saw all of the miracles and Lazarus up close renounced him and were not loyal or brave enough to show their love. I’m not saying that did or did not happen.

So give Wylie a break. He was not there.

I truly respect putting all of your heart and soul into the loving hands of the highest being in accordance with your faith. Faith is fact to you in your heart but it is not when talking to a non believer. Then faith is not fact
.
And it does not mean another should agree.
We were not there. There are no photographs or letters or verifiable witnesses.

Since faith is not fact in the secular world it is horrible to impose upon another with anger and a heavy hand your faith.

Living in a secular society should imbue that creed of mutual respect in every resident and citizen.
And it would leave more space to be concerned with issues of democracy and the environment and gun control and right to have or have not an abortion and political leadership.

When one starts to impose and bully they step into somebody else’s house without permission.

Everything I have just written is my opinion except that faith by definition is not fact.

No where have I said that any tenets of any style of Christianity is wrong or right. I respect other people’s faith and their right to have it.

Thank You for watching the video Dino! Appreciate it.

quoting the Quran to you to change your perspective.

Why do you think that never happens ? Why do think we're the only faith group that does what we do to the extent that we do ? Think we might be on to something ? We know that we know. If someone had the cure to cancer or world hunger, they'd shout it from the rooftops as well.

But it DOES happen. I've had plenty of discussions with Muslim folks over the years. They quote scripture. They're not as loud and forceful about it because their belief system doesn't tell them to care what you believe.
Well, except for the kill the infidels part I guess...

Anyway my point was if you disagreed with someone and in the course of debating an issue they pointed to a passage in the Quran to "prove" it to you, you wouldn't find it very compelling would you?