Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
You are correct but at my school you needed it before taking the finance classes was all I was saying. I think he is just trolling here. I misspoke. You needed Pre-Calc in HS then Calc before taking finance classes and later advancing to classes such as M&A.

Exactly. So if you want to take finance, a calc class is required. Duh.

The fact that He holds these opinions is rather scary. The fact that the current admin. appointed him to his position is even scarier.

Now. He has a right to his opinions.
We have a right to say to him that his OPINIONS are wrong!

Opinions can be wrong. I've held wrong opinions before and likely will again.
As I get older I (hopefully) grow and take in more information (facts) and I learn my opinion was WRONG and I change it............ or I choose to be stupid or insane. I choose not to stay stupid when I get informed of a fact. It helps me out here in the real world. As MOST folks accept most widely known facts!

End of rant!

Good post Taint!

Posted by tangplay on 1/19/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
You are correct but at my school you needed it before taking the finance classes was all I was saying. I think he is just trolling here. I misspoke. You needed Pre-Calc in HS then Calc before taking finance classes and later advancing to classes such as M&A.

Exactly. So if you want to take finance, a calc class is required. Duh.

You are a moron.

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Posted by toddcommish on 1/18/2018 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

I think your ideas on how college works are a little misinformed

When my kids were whining about some required high school class, I told them:
- You take certain classes and get good grades in high school so you can have more choices about colleges
- You target certain colleges to prepare you for a job that you (might) like (at least at first...)

So figure out what you might enjoy and/or be good at that MAKES MONEY. Figure out which school prepares you best for that job. And take/excel at the courses that you need to get into that college/university.

Both kids listened, took the "right" classes for their targeted profession/college, got into their targeted (and financially feasible) colleges, graduated in four years, and are both now employed. So, I've raised and mentored two people who are happier and more successful than most of the negative nellies around here. I understand how college works, and how it isn't for "education", it's for vocational validation ("Applicants must have a degree in XXX") and certification and the diploma is the educational equivalent of a trophy.

I was more responding to the idea that humanities classes teach plagiarism and parroting rather than critical thinking.

It's misguided.

I was a poli sci major. I had an international relations professor who had worked in the first Bush admin. Dude was a huge war hawk. It was 2004, less than a year after Powell's speech that essentially sealed the deal on going into Iraq. That professor did not hide the fact that he was for the war and yet he encouraged debate and disagreement.

And there were plenty of liberal professors that behaved in the same way. We debated affirmative action in Justice and Diversity classes. The people arguing against did not lose points because they were against it.

Well, that's different from the experience that I had in (required) humanities/history/polisci classes. And different from the way my kids portrayed it.

Actually, in your example, that type of free-discussion is probably WORSE for you in the job market. I guarantee that if you openly debated something your boss said at work, you would suffer some consequences (long-term or short-term depends on the manager)

p.s. Hey, at least we've pegged your age as roughly early 30's.

36 actually.

Like I said before, colleges, at least traditional four year universities, aren’t specifically trying to prep you for a job. They’re teaching you how to to think, educating you, and turning you into a well-rounded person.

This is idealistic. Universities are trying to make money. That's why they build zillion-dollar athletic facilities while leaving the classrooms in their pristine 1900's architecture. They're trying to develop you into a RICH PERSON, because only rich people donate money back to their schools.

Agreed. Part of the value they offer is a network. Going to Harvard not only gets you a great degree but also a network of other graduates who have sick jobs. Colleges are 100% FOR PROFIT!

They build zillion dollar facilities because they need the best athletes they can get. Sports pay a huge lions share of the bills.

Posted by The Taint on 1/19/2018 11:22:00 AM (view original):
They build zillion dollar facilities because they need the best athletes they can get. Sports pay a huge lions share of the bills.

Does Harvard have zillion dollar facilities? MIT? If so, they must be hidden.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/19/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
You are correct but at my school you needed it before taking the finance classes was all I was saying. I think he is just trolling here. I misspoke. You needed Pre-Calc in HS then Calc before taking finance classes and later advancing to classes such as M&A.

Exactly. So if you want to take finance, a calc class is required. Duh.

You are a moron.

Why? Calc classes should not be required unless you take finance. Financial Calc, then Finance I, II, etc.

Posted by tangplay on 1/19/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/19/2018 10:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
You are correct but at my school you needed it before taking the finance classes was all I was saying. I think he is just trolling here. I misspoke. You needed Pre-Calc in HS then Calc before taking finance classes and later advancing to classes such as M&A.

Exactly. So if you want to take finance, a calc class is required. Duh.

You are a moron.

Why? Calc classes should not be required unless you take finance. Financial Calc, then Finance I, II, etc.

Because before that you said they can just teach Calc as part of Finance. Don't change your tune. You were wrong. Admit it and then we can discuss the fact that those that want to pursue a career in journalism for instance don't need to take Calc. I agree. But don't play coy. Trollplay.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
You are correct but at my school you needed it before taking the finance classes was all I was saying. I think he is just trolling here. I misspoke. You needed Pre-Calc in HS then Calc before taking finance classes and later advancing to classes such as M&A.

Exactly. So if you want to take finance, a calc class is required. Duh.

You are a moron.

Why? Calc classes should not be required unless you take finance. Financial Calc, then Finance I, II, etc.

Because before that you said they can just teach Calc as part of Finance. Don't change your tune. You were wrong. Admit it and then we can discuss the fact that those that want to pursue a career in journalism for instance don't need to take Calc. I agree. But don't play coy. Trollplay.

OK so I am changing my tune. I was wrong.

Fair enough. Yes, I agree that students should not have to pursue advanced mathematics and sciences if their interests lie elsewhere. I actually believe school curriculum should be more fluid and not as regimented.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 11:38:00 AM (view original):
Fair enough. Yes, I agree that students should not have to pursue advanced mathematics and sciences if their interests lie elsewhere. I actually believe school curriculum should be more fluid and not as regimented.

Then we agree.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Agreed. Part of the value they offer is a network. Going to Harvard not only gets you a great degree but also a network of other graduates who have sick jobs. Colleges are 100% FOR PROFIT!

I agree with this. As long as you're talking about FOR Profit colleges. Not all are.

Secondly. The networking/contacts made part of your comment is exactly right, as well.
Both of my daughters have advanced degrees from the U of A. BOTH receive solicitations for donations all the time from some alumni group or another.
One of my daughters is now pursuing a Doctorate degree at the Univ. of Illinois (Champaign) in the evolutionary and biological science fields. In her field (lab scientists) the contacts you make while getting your degrees stay with you forever. Not just the college itself but in her field she attends lots of "conferences" wherein she meets scientists from other universities and from the private scientific community. I might add in the Gov't as well, as she spent time and made contacts while doing research at the H. Hughes research facility outside DC.

Research Science is all about networking and having projects done in collaboration. Every result must be able to be replicated, otherwise it's just NOT immediately useful. At least that's a small portion of it....... the portion I can comprehend from her explanation.

There is another common misconception with some of the public and that's that college campuses are all hotbeds of liberal crazies.
I'm sure there are some like that, but NOT all are. There is a large active conservative/libertarian presence on campus at the U of A. AND an active LGBTQ community. It all depends on the campus/college and the region it's located in because the students come from homes in that region (mostly) and thus reflect the ideologies of their parents......... at least initially.

Colleges don't even make money. Unless they are for profit.

Posted by laramiebob on 1/19/2018 11:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/19/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Agreed. Part of the value they offer is a network. Going to Harvard not only gets you a great degree but also a network of other graduates who have sick jobs. Colleges are 100% FOR PROFIT!

I agree with this. As long as you're talking about FOR Profit colleges. Not all are.

Secondly. The networking/contacts made part of your comment is exactly right, as well.
Both of my daughters have advanced degrees from the U of A. BOTH receive solicitations for donations all the time from some alumni group or another.
One of my daughters is now pursuing a Doctorate degree at the Univ. of Illinois (Champaign) in the evolutionary and biological science fields. In her field (lab scientists) the contacts you make while getting your degrees stay with you forever. Not just the college itself but in her field she attends lots of "conferences" wherein she meets scientists from other universities and from the private scientific community. I might add in the Gov't as well, as she spent time and made contacts while doing research at the H. Hughes research facility outside DC.

Research Science is all about networking and having projects done in collaboration. Every result must be able to be replicated, otherwise it's just NOT immediately useful. At least that's a small portion of it....... the portion I can comprehend from her explanation.

There is another common misconception with some of the public and that's that college campuses are all hotbeds of liberal crazies.
I'm sure there are some like that, but NOT all are. There is a large active conservative/libertarian presence on campus at the U of A. AND an active LGBTQ community. It all depends on the campus/college and the region it's located in because the students come from homes in that region (mostly) and thus reflect the ideologies of their parents......... at least initially.

You know what this post tells me?

You're old!! LOL