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Why should I continue to insist on a compelling legal reason if, in 80 pages, no one can come up with one?

My question for you, what harm is there in allowing SSM?
6/2/2012 12:25 PM
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The transmission of disease is the most compelling legal argument. The incidence of aids is commonly known to be rampant amongst gays. Therefore in order to protect the majority of US citizens SSM should not be allowed because it would foster the exponential spread of that and many other STD. If a gay cheats on his whatever with a straight it would then be transferred more readily amongst the straight population.  Safety first.  Not a great argument, but I tried.
6/2/2012 1:41 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Why should I continue to insist on a compelling legal reason if, in 80 pages, no one can come up with one?

My question for you, what harm is there in allowing SSM?

One can argue that grave-robbing and cannibalism doesn't really harm anyone, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.

The point is, there is NO reason to create a Federal law specifically to address SSM either.  Honestly, I don't see a reason for the DOMA, nor do I see a reason for a blanket SSM law either.  Nor do I see a reason for any court to overturn a legally passed state proposition.

It should be up to the states and the people within those states... period.

6/2/2012 2:18 PM
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Doma isnt interfering with the states.

It applies to federal employees. It also allows each state to not be forced to accept gay marraige.
6/2/2012 2:30 PM
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Posted by crackatoeha on 6/2/2012 1:41:00 PM (view original):
The transmission of disease is the most compelling legal argument. The incidence of aids is commonly known to be rampant amongst gays. Therefore in order to protect the majority of US citizens SSM should not be allowed because it would foster the exponential spread of that and many other STD. If a gay cheats on his whatever with a straight it would then be transferred more readily amongst the straight population.  Safety first.  Not a great argument, but I tried.
That's an argument against homosexuality, not SSM.  Not really pertinent to the discussion at hand.
6/2/2012 4:15 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Why should I continue to insist on a compelling legal reason if, in 80 pages, no one can come up with one?

My question for you, what harm is there in allowing SSM?
This.
6/2/2012 4:16 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/2/2012 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Why should I continue to insist on a compelling legal reason if, in 80 pages, no one can come up with one?

My question for you, what harm is there in allowing SSM?
This.
The harm in allowing SSM is that people voted against it?  That doesn't make any sense.

In the seven states where SSM is legal, what harm is it causing?
6/2/2012 5:50 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/2/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by crackatoeha on 6/2/2012 1:41:00 PM (view original):
The transmission of disease is the most compelling legal argument. The incidence of aids is commonly known to be rampant amongst gays. Therefore in order to protect the majority of US citizens SSM should not be allowed because it would foster the exponential spread of that and many other STD. If a gay cheats on his whatever with a straight it would then be transferred more readily amongst the straight population.  Safety first.  Not a great argument, but I tried.
That's an argument against homosexuality, not SSM.  Not really pertinent to the discussion at hand.
Thank you, then make homosexuality illegal and you take away any isuue of SSM....end of story.
6/2/2012 6:08 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 5:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/2/2012 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Why should I continue to insist on a compelling legal reason if, in 80 pages, no one can come up with one?

My question for you, what harm is there in allowing SSM?
This.
The harm in allowing SSM is that people voted against it?  That doesn't make any sense.

In the seven states where SSM is legal, what harm is it causing?
Reading comprehension problems?

This was my answer: "Well it throws thousands of years of human culture and social norms out the window."
6/2/2012 7:10 PM
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You linked to swamphawks voting post.

Social norms change all the time. What harm would this change bring?
6/2/2012 10:46 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 6/2/2012 10:46:00 PM (view original):
You linked to swamphawks voting post.

Social norms change all the time. What harm would this change bring?
So let the norms change.

Win one elction anywhere.
6/2/2012 10:54 PM
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Same sex marriage is legal in seven states. The norm is changing. I'm asking for reason to not allow it to continue to change. In other words, if you were heading to the ballot box to vote, why are you voting no? What does someone else's marriage have to do with you?
6/2/2012 11:00 PM
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As I have said before I would vote for SSM if it was asked of me.

This is not an issue of the correctness of same sex marriage, this is about the rights of the people as opposed to the Federal Government.

6/2/2012 11:26 PM
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I voted in favor of SSM on Prop 22.  I voted against it on Prop 8, because I think the issue had its one chance on the ballot, and I think whiners who can't take "No" for an answer need to STFU.  If they don't like the laws in the state they live in.... MOVE

6/2/2012 11:38 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 6/2/2012 11:26:00 PM (view original):
As I have said before I would vote for SSM if it was asked of me.

This is not an issue of the correctness of same sex marriage, this is about the rights of the people as opposed to the Federal Government.

Doesn't this come down to the rights of one group of people vs the vote of a slim majority?
6/3/2012 12:02 AM
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