I am going to try and just "add value" to the thread from now on, but I think it is bizarre to put the burden on Ash and let others work in misinformation and performative rage.

Is it valuable for me to add that I wish my team were doing better?

Posted by longtallbrad on 8/31/2020 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Is it valuable for me to add that I wish my team were doing better?

lol, yes. You and me both. my "best" team is 2-3 while my two dumpster fires are 1-4 as expected.

Posted by jhsukow on 8/31/2020 9:19:00 AM (view original):
I am going to try and just "add value" to the thread from now on, but I think it is bizarre to put the burden on Ash and let others work in misinformation and performative rage.

It’s not. I certainly don’t want to read any of the bullshit that a couple people are posting, but I can just block it and move on. I did so to preserve my own enjoyment of the forums and it has done wonders. It’s a commentary thread. People can choose to comment however they want. Participation is optional and you choose the content you engage with. I don’t think there is a burden on ashamael, in the thread he started, to treat the people who cannot go five seconds without posting inflammatory, nonsensical, unfunny, inane drivel with kid gloves when they can't stop making everything about them (a different particular owner ruined multiple progressives with this same behavior). The community has gone literal years trying to coddle, inform and support its weakest owners and it has generally worked. Those who prefer to lash out and damage the community with constant harassment simply because they don’t want the constructive feedback can eat it. Ashamael’s feedback loop has done immeasurable good for every new or unsuccessful owner and to put the burden on him instead of the trolls is absurd logic. I’m fine with what kinoa1 had to say, or almost anyone else for that matter. But to point the finger at ashamael or anyone else instead of the person who is the source of almost every conflict in this league is just absurd. That fact that several of us had to move all of our commentary to sitemail just to avoid troll baiting is evidence enough of the problem.

Posted by jhsukow on 8/31/2020 10:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 8/31/2020 10:23:00 AM (view original):
Is it valuable for me to add that I wish my team were doing better?

lol, yes. You and me both. my "best" team is 2-3 while my two dumpster fires are 1-4 as expected.

In season 1 I knew I had one team that that was far and away the strongest. Most of my key players (Buck W being the notable exception) pretty clearly had one dominant season that was head and shoulders above the rest of their careers (in sim terms), so I made a conscious decision to make one serious run at a league title and hope that my second strongest team could make the playoffs. (It didn't come close, and neither did any of my other teams.)

For season 2, I still have one "best" team but there shouldn't be a lot of separation among the other four. I don't have a clear "worst" team, at least not on purpose. I'm thinking I have a better chance at multiple playoff appearances but a lesser shot at taking home a ring. We'll see...I'm trying to reserve judgment until the season's midpoint, when I've made the full circuit and taken a closer took at match-ups.

A further example of the above is that I posted like 10 posts of unique content in the World 6 thread last night, and I genuinely almost didn’t because I thought “oh so and so will just hijack this thread and make it into a personal affront to him and ruin the fun.”

That is problematic. The burden is not on the content creators. Ashamael should be able to offer commentary in the commentary thread and it should be the same for any other thread. The people who want to respond to everything with pages upon pages of unreadable stuff, and then send you dozens of sitemails (to the point of creating aliases to sitemail you when you block the first username) when you don’t engage with them are problematic.

Even look at the ODL thread. It is tradition going back almost 80 iterations for the league winner to offer evaluations in that thread. And the first half dozen pages are a single owner hijacking the thread to make it about them and their own insecurities. If you don’t want commentary, don’t go to the commentary thread and certainly don’t combine it with conflicting posts of abject patheticism followed immediately by “please look at me” bullshit.

ashamael isn’t stooping low because people who literally will not stop harassing you unless you block them or put them in their place are the ones stooping low.

Posted by jhsukow on 8/31/2020 9:19:00 AM (view original):
I am going to try and just "add value" to the thread from now on, but I think it is bizarre to put the burden on Ash and let others work in misinformation and performative rage.

I don’t have any idea what you’re referring to. I’ve been trying to get Ash to stop coming for me for weeks now. I blocked him (and, presumably, he blocked me) for this express purpose. I don’t know why he continues. I’ll make a general comment, he’ll respond unnecessarily, and then I’ll ask him to stop. I’ve been trying to diffuse this situation for weeks!

This is why I goof on myself! I’m trying to inject a little humor and end whatever shenanigans remain. Because of the end of the day, I don’t care if I do poorly! I’d prefer not to, but Ash keeps saying things as if my pride is at stake. It’s not - I don’t have any! Now, can we please just move on? I have NO desire to continue this part of the thread, or any “animosity” directed towards or from me.

If I have to count the number of times I’ve used the word stop, I’ll be here for a while. There are a lot of pages here, and I have absolutely no idea why Ash persists like this. If he would stop, this would end. I have NO desire to engage with him. None. I only want to stop it, and I’m sure most of you are OK with that. Whatever other interpretations exist are entirely besides the point. I can count the number of cease-and-desist notices if need be. This STARTED because I asked people to leave me alone. I don’t have any idea why it’s not over yet!

If it helps, everything everyone has ever said about me on this site is correct. I'm terrible! I'm a terrible owner, terrible predictor and terrible guy. Can we move on now?

I agree with most of what Robusk said, and I actually agree with some of the last bds post..WITH a caveat that you shouldn’t be able to say “stop” to simple evaluation/feedback comments that have no personal attacks. I support no one attacking you personally or going overboard. I like you, but I am really tired of seeing page after page of you telling people to stop the pretty normal practice of evaluating picks. I don’t think opting out of evaluations is healthy, and I think it’s easier to just not go in to the evaluations thread if it bothers you that much. I do think there were a couple of unnecessary poke-the-bear moments and I am in favor of those stopping. Let’s all just chill and do normal forum activities.

All of that being said, longtallbrad is a gd professional mediator, so maybe we should be taking his advice.

My contention is that it's gone beyond normal evaluation, BUT it doesn't matter! Whatever it is, like you said, it should stop and we should resume normal forum activities instead of personal vendettas! It's all gotten mixed up, man! Just leave me alone, and we won't see any posts like this!

All I said this time was I have some thoughts I'll share at a later date, which I will if encouraging signs continue!!!!!

I mean, what good is a block if I have to "deal with it?" I don't want to deal with it, I just want to make some vague unreliable comments in peace! Can't everyone just assume that I have no credibility so we can move on?

Just tell me what you want to hear and I'll say it! I do not give a crap!

Right, all you said is that you had some thoughts and I don’t think that should have led to...this. There was a little instigation there that I’m in favor of stopping.

I’m also in favor of the first 5 pages of the ODL commentary not being hijacked in to a thread of you setting rules about how people can’t talk about your team, even in a normal way with no personal attacks.

Compromise. Meet in the middle. Everyone chill.

In the ODL thread, I was trying to prevent......this.

I will not try to do that again. I am tired of this, but I will not try to prevent it anymore.