I understand that, zhawks... I just thought a discussion about changing player improvement can't be had without bringing caps into the equation. If all that is being done is improvement is being slowed, then the chief problem brought about by Potential really isn't being fixed.

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sometimes what is best for hd isn't always the most real life right solution.

Quote: Originally posted by itsjimmy on 2/11/2009Bradshaw,Like zhawks just said, there are caps and they aren't going anywhere. I'm not saying there is no life after college basketball, but you have to look at it from an HD perspective. The rating system is built upon the college game, and the college game only. An 80 in HD might turn to a 50 in the NBA, but that doesn't really matter because this game is just college basketball and nothing more.So yes, in a way, you have to look at HD in a vacuum. The caps are staying, which makes the ratings system college based, and nothing more.

Right, but college players don't have a maximum ability they can reach while in college... that number is infinite and the only reason college players don't reach their maximum potential is because they don't have enough time to do so.

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Quote: Originally Posted By bradshaw3001 on 2/11/2009

Quote: Originally posted by itsjimmy on 2/11/2009
Bradshaw,

Like zhawks just said, there are caps and they aren't going anywhere. I'm not saying there is no life after college basketball, but you have to look at it from an HD perspective. The rating system is built upon the college game, and the college game only. An 80 in HD might turn to a 50 in the NBA, but that doesn't really matter because this game is just college basketball and nothing more.

So yes, in a way, you have to look at HD in a vacuum. The caps are staying, which makes the ratings system college based, and nothing more.

Right, but college players don't have a maximum ability they can reach while in college... that number is infinite and the only reason college players don't reach their maximum potential is because they don't have enough time to do so

HD is not real life

for the small amount of fairness that could create its not worth the time it would take to get it put in. and what if ppl were recruiting all juco? they could have gotten 14 high growth guys? do we have to wait for everyone2 get 14 now? it doesntmatter

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/11/2009sometimes what is best for hd isn't always the most real life right solution.

"Real Life" is the argument that has been used IN FAVOR of player rating caps. I'm all for making HD its own animal, and not being forced to mimic real life in all cases. In this case, rating caps are not what's best for HD because it either gives coaches nothing to do with practice time or lowers the quality of players across the board (by keeping caps the same and slowing their improvement), which would in turn lessen the quality of play. So, yes, what is best for HD is not necessarily the "most real life right solution," but caps are not what's best for HD.

without caps all players are equal from d3 to d1 their starting rankings are there only differences.

I think we all enjoy getting real time feedback. And seble, I for one, have limited my WIS to only HD. I think some of us hard core guys just want to help it improve as much as possible, it can be such a fun game.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/11/2009without caps all players are equal from d3 to d1 their starting rankings are there only differences.

i just don't see the problem with this-- if people think there needs to be more differentiation, make it at the beginning, in player generation.

bradshaw did you miss my whole write up about how to give players caps but still allow them to grow what would seem like higher then their potential.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/11/2009without caps all players are equal from d3 to d1 their starting rankings are there only differences.

That's not really the case when D3 players have significantly lower potential.

potential is part of player generation.

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 2/11/2009bradshaw did you miss my whole write up about how to give players caps but still allow them to grow what would seem like higher then their potential.

No I saw that, and it seems like pretty much the same solution I'm after in terms of end result, but it's not in the same spirit of what I'm saying.