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Quote: Originally Posted By cbriese on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By trsnoke on 1/01/2010
I'm having trouble posting the table, but I compared mark3313's BIG LEAGUE S5 and S6 and it looks like HR came down for everyone with power >=50 (that's all I looked at) with the biggest impact at the high end of Power. I grouped players by Power rating so that 95-99 was a group, 90-94 another, 85-89 another, and so on. Per 550 AB, each group hit more HR than the group underneath it so I don't see 80 Power guys hitting more HR than 95 Power guys, in general. I'll see if I can post the table without breaking the thread.
EDIT: This only looked at players still playing in S6 and groupings are based on S6 current ratings. IsoP is Isolated Power, the difference between SLG and AVG.

This is terrific info. It obviously shows the power adjustments are what WIS said they would be. Unfortunately, it appears that most posters prefer to look at their own anecdotal examples. Your data doesn't support their "sky is falling" theories
It isn't as simple as that though. Players are being paid for a skill set they no longer have...and the reason they don't have it isn't because they weren't supposed to have it. The reason they don't have it is because site staff decided that what they originally intended to happen was too much, so they arbitrarily changed the engine. Not the first time this has happened and it certainly won't be the last, but some of the changes hurt more than others.

This doesn't really affect me directly since I've only signed well-rounded players to long term contracts, but it will end up affecting everybody because people will ultimately bail on leagues when their long term commitments are not giving them the return they expected.
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Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010
You're missing my point, which I obviously wasn't clear about.

Don't look at the raw stats, look at the consistency of the production level.

So what tweak did they make to the game engine to affect Yount in Season 6?

By the way, Hammond has only played two seasons in the majors, so I'm not sure what sort of 'consistency' you're expecting to see...
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So even though the question you're citing uses 'players' to refer to in-game hitters, you believe the answer uses 'players' to refer to team owners. Interesting.
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mark3313 on 1/01/2010You're missing my point, which I obviously wasn't clear about.

Don't look at the raw stats, look at the consistency of the production level.
So what tweak did they make to the game engine to affect Yount in Season 6?

By the way, Hammond has only played two seasons in the majors, so I'm not sure what sort of 'consistency' you're expecting to see...


My point is they didn't tweak Yount and did tweak Hammond. I think, almost 200 points off slugging, even for a young player is pretty inconsistent. Also, if you take his HR rate from last season and apply it to this season, his batting average hits .292, which is right around his average last year. It seems like those HRs have simply become outs this year.
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You have no point, mark. All you have is increasingly feeble justifications for what you want to see.

Yount had a bad year. Hammond had a bad year. The fact that you want to pin Hammond's bad year on the engine tweak doesn't make it so.
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Quote: Originally posted by kingjohndevi on 1/01/2010Again, you are assuming that the existing alorithm couldnt be updated to target only elite power hitters without introducing something new, which, again, assumes that you know what the existing alogrithm looks like.

Sorry, didn't catch the answer to my question. What's your programming background again?
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010So even though the question you're citing uses 'players' to refer to in-game hitters, you believe the answer uses 'players' to refer to team owners. Interesting
Umm...in the ONLY example when they don't specifically say upper echelon only? Yes.
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 1/01/2010
Quote: Originally posted by kingjohndevi on 1/01/2010 Again, you are assuming that the existing alorithm couldnt be updated to target only elite power hitters without introducing something new, which, again, assumes that you know what the existing alogrithm looks like.

Sorry, didn't catch the answer to my question. What's your programming background again


probably more than yours, but we dont need to discuss degrees to see that your logic is flawed since you do not know what the previous coding looked like, all we need is common sense. Your argument is based on radical assumptions, therefore, you lose.
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