All Wins over All Losses Revisited Topic

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3/3/2010 7:30 PM
my favorite part is "clever, catchy, cheeky, and fun" hehehe

by now he at least knows that "13 united states" is at least grammatically incorrect, yet he refuses to change it. i would be shocked if he ever did change it, actually.
3/3/2010 7:39 PM
Quote: Originally posted by jetwildcat on 3/03/2010my favorite part is "clever, catchy, cheeky, and fun" hehehe

by now he at least knows that "13 united states" is at least gramatically incorrect, yet he refuses to change it. i would be shocked if he ever did change it, actually.

He won't. He is the one that believes that there is a 50/50 chance that the sun comes up every day and that something isn't true unless you can prove it (ie i say "A team has won a title with 12 sfs" and unless i can pull up all the records showing you that, it didn't happen).

He won't back down even if he has been proven 100% wrong, just like how i have explained to him how his site is not older than any US States, but he continues to believe his is, somehow, correct.
3/3/2010 7:45 PM
colonels, did you know you have more forum posts than dynasty wins, or even total WIS games played? Not to mention your well below .500 win percentage.
Just curious, with only one active WIS team and almost 20 thousand forum posts, do you just pay the subscription to come in here and argue? Although this forum is clearly a personal advertisement for your website.
3/4/2010 2:05 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By ryanderson on 3/04/2010colonels, did you know you have more forum posts than dynasty wins, or even total WIS games played? Not to mention your well below .500 win percentage.
Just curious, with only one active WIS team and almost 20 thousand forum posts, do you just pay the subscription to come in here and argue? Although this forum is clearly a personal advertisement for your website
Basically that is his reason, although he will deny it.
3/4/2010 8:19 AM
And what's your excuse Mel? Or you still trying to pawn off that you invented HD?
3/4/2010 8:31 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By diablo11 on 3/04/2010
And what's your excuse Mel? Or you still trying to pawn off that you invented HD?

Unlike Al Gore, I don't make stupid comments like that.

Don't you actually have to win to have fans? Or are your fans as sick as you are?
3/4/2010 8:41 AM
Wait I should say 'fans' since we all know they don't exisit anywhere except in your deluded head.
3/4/2010 8:41 AM
So you don't have a website blog that you shove down everyone's throat? Interesting.
3/4/2010 8:42 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/03/2010
We addressed your inability to differentiate the difference from someone not agreeing with your ideas and someone who does not have an open mind then, of which you accused everyone who disagreed with your general idea as 'closed minded' and called us all idiots for not 'understand what idea you had and how genius it is'. Re-read how wisefella99 posed the question...he was already insinuating that the undefeated team would be ahead of the 1 loss team, thus if he "expected" me to say the opposite, then why pose the question that way? He was clearly looking for an angle/reason to start something...its very clear to see.

I guess somethings never change. I know its still rather recent, but if all you have are past events to show what I am and not what I've been, I'd say you're grabbing at straws here. I'm as bad as you want/see me to be.
3/4/2010 10:07 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 3/03/2010
In all fairness to colones, and not trying to defend him, but your question is a bit silly considering he started this thread talking about a team that had a much worse record than another team being ranked way over them in his system due to SOS. So with his original post it addressed the issue of what you're saying.

I get colonels point, I just don't agree with it. What he's saying is if team A is 0-1 and team B is 1-0, team B will be ranked over team A regardless of opponent in his system. However if team B is 3-0 and has played teams with a combined 0-9 record and team A is 2-1 playing teams with a combined 7-2 record than team A will be ranked ahead of team B. This I obviously agree with but I don't think it's valid to say every win is of greater value than every loss.

Thank you for a civil post...this/these are a nice breath of fresh air every once in a while. I can see both sides of this argument, like I said I did used to do rankings where some wins rated higher than some losses and it was during that time when I was reviewing my database where I concluded that it wasn't right for me to rate some wins over some losses because it seemed to be happening a fair amount (in my cfb rankings, no cbbs at the time) and the bigger issue was/is that you're determining success by your own standards, and not by the wins and losses compiled by each team. Like I said, its a very basic philosophy but a win = success and a loss = failure. By rating some losses over some wins, you're inherently, partly suggesting that winning and losing don't matter, and I don't think I'll ever switch back to the old format. I think my style of ranking format is only a problem if leagues had 1 game seasons, but that will never happen. Again, I appreciate your commentary and rebuttal. Take care.
3/4/2010 10:14 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/03/2010
Quote: Originally posted by jetwildcat on 3/03/2010 my favorite part is "clever, catchy, cheeky, and fun" hehehe

by now he at least knows that "13 united states" is at least gramatically incorrect, yet he refuses to change it. i would be shocked if he ever did change it, actually.

He won't. He is the one that believes that there is a 50/50 chance that the sun comes up every day and that something isn't true unless you can prove it (ie i say "A team has won a title with 12 sfs" and unless i can pull up all the records showing you that, it didn't happen).

He won't back down even if he has been proven 100% wrong, just like how i have explained to him how his site is not older than any US States, but he continues to believe his is, somehow, correct
Here's my thing guys...it isn't really a big deal and I like the way it is now saying UNITED STATES and not U.S. STATES...this is really more of a personal preference issue. If people need clarification, I will most certainly give it, but the statement is basically self-explanatory.

You guys are right, U.S. States is one proper way to do it and it works...I just choose not to use it. Again potaytoe, pototoe.
3/4/2010 10:17 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By ryanderson on 3/04/2010
colonels, did you know you have more forum posts than dynasty wins, or even total WIS games played? Yes Not to mention your well below .500 win percentage. Yes, and what does this have to do with anything? I love when people bring this up because they act like you can't/don't have an opinion if you're "not successful" at the game, when this particular topic actually has nothing to do with the game.
Just curious, with only one active WIS team and almost 20 thousand forum posts, do you just pay the subscription to come in here and argue? I'll admit, its apart of the website that I really enjoy. I like the camaraderie, banter, and differing opinions thus I post regularly. I don't hate anyone that I trade posts with, zhawks included. Although this forum is clearly a personal advertisement for your website. Yeah, and I'm going to make millions doing it, right? I've been doing it for 6? years now and nobody from WIS has ever said anything to me about it. Some of the contests I run I actually pay off in WIS GCs so WIS is benefitting from me as well, and I've started a few basketball theme leagues with BPI concepts, again piping WIS an extra $240 that they weren't getting otherwise. Its really been beneficial on both ends, but to be honest, a lot more for WIS.
3/4/2010 10:24 AM
I know how fun HD is, but I'm a competitive guy, and if I can't win regularly, it gets less fun. Not saying your not a good coach or have ever lost some bad luck games, but to me it personally would not be worth the price to find out the next morning I lost over 50 percent of the time.
Also, good luck with the website, looks like its turning into something decent. Though its unclear whether your goal is to predict tournament seeds or just generally rank the teams.
3/4/2010 12:18 PM
Thanks, I've been at or above .500 my last 4 seasons and the team I'm with now is the first time/team that I've coached consecutive seasons with (3, guaranteed 4). I've been playing a cupcake non-con the past couple seasons, mainly trying to up my team prestige so no tournament bids just yet, but having fun for the time being and we'll see if it lasts til the end of the year.

As far as the website goes, thanks again for the well wishes...I will release a field of 64 my way of course and the idea isn't to guess what the selection committee is going to do, but its to show what 64 teams should be in the tournament according to my formula. The CTs are a joke.
3/4/2010 1:29 PM
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