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Included in the response is an assertion that "the only evidence known to the university suggesting that (redacted) did not take the (date redacted) SAT is that provided by Lee Ann Harmless, a forensic document examiner retained by the NCAA. Even Harmless does not conclude definitely that (redacted) did not take the exam. She wrote only that (redacted) "Probably (emphasis added) did not write the questioned hand printing or cursive writing' on the exam form."

Memphis, however, also acknowledges that Rose "did not pursue any of the opportunities made available to him" by the Educational Testing Service, which administers the SAT, to validate his score after he was notified that his score was being challenged.

Even if it's proven that Rose didn't take his own test, Memphis' punishment could hinge on whether the infractions committee determines that the school knew or should have known about it.

(I'll admit, that is likely more of a fault of the admissions and those screening people then Cal, but I still think, as the leader of the team and program, he should have done a better job of making sure with these people that it was ok for him to play, clearly they had plenty of evidence to show that some grades were fudged in HS and they should have made extra certain everything was 100% in order)

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/02/memphis-response-ncaa-not-enough-evidence-say-ther/

From my understanding the ETS has to have some pretty solid evidence to actually revoke someones SAT score.
3/23/2010 2:03 PM
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3/23/2010 2:08 PM
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I have breifed it before I likely will again later tonight I was looking for some articles in Google News and found some very interesting ones about it.
3/23/2010 2:24 PM
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Luther Topps, who coached Rose's club basketball team with Rose's brother, Reggie, told the Chicago Sun-Times on Thursday that the NCAA believes Rose's former high school teammate, Kevin Johnson, took the SAT test for him.

According to the Sun-Times, Johnson, who Wisconsin-Milwaukee during his freshman season, is currently serving time in jail for armed robbery and aggravated resisting arrest.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/may/29/SAT-fraud-easily-falls-through-testing/
3/23/2010 2:29 PM
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The head coach is ultimately responsible for everything that happens under his watch. He may not be able to control the players actions but he should be held accountable for them.

Gonalzez at Seton Hall brought in guys that maybe only punched opponents in the groin, or maybe they drove the wrong way on a freeway without a license, or maybe they tied people up with duct tape and were charged with kidnapping. But he ultimately was accountable for their actions on the court as well as off the court.

Interesting to see that Seton Hall brought in a player that Calipari dismissed from the Memphis team.

Coach Cal has a long history of questionable practices concerning players grades. He's played players that had dropped out of school during the first semester in games until the second semester started (UMass). The press knew the players were no longer enrolled but the coach pleaded no knowledge.

It's fairly common practice for many early entries to drop all classes once the basketball season ends to focus on their impending pro careers. Others, like Derrick Rose, never enroll in any second semester classes.

John Wall also had many red flags with his academic past. But by accounts, Wall is doing a very good job in the classroom at UK; 3.4 gpa. The class choices are a bit interesting, but those two cooking classes and the public speaking one may come in handy when he's on his own next season.



3/23/2010 2:41 PM
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Iguana - As to your last point, this is no fault of coaches or the NCAA for that matter, the blame falls on the NBA. I'm sorry but some players are simply not meant to go to college but what are they supposed to do. The NBA has a stupid one year rule which leads to the 1 and done thing and because these guys are going to school with the intention of simply playing ball until they are eligible for turn pro these types of things (dropping class after the first semester) are going to happen. What should the schools do? Deny otherwise eligible players access because of the NBA's stupid rule?

Yes, it falls on the head coach. No, not each action makes the coach a scumbag. The Seton Hall situation is different as well. Cal's guys are getting into trouble off the court with the police and what not and are otherwise good people (when they havent been he's kicked them off the team); His players also dont embarress the school on the court ala Seton Hall.

His troubles have been related to things that go on everywhere and are not as easy to monitor as you make out.
3/23/2010 2:48 PM
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Interesting, yet controversial, perspective from a Kansas fan:

From Kansas City.com

By Jason Whitlock , 'Kansas City Star'

The experts on CBS and ESPN were not at liberty Sunday night to explain to you why the NCAA Tournament selection committee treated Duke like the No. 1 overall seed rather than Kansas, the nation’s best basketball team.

The explanation is simple: Duke is television ratings gold, and the NCAA is in the process of negotiating a new TV contract for its prized tournament.......

In an effort to hoodwink a TV network into again overpaying for the Big Dance, the NCAA is considering expanding the tourney to 96 teams.

So it’s only logical that the selection committee provided the Blue Devils — tournament-chokers for most of the last decade — a relative cakewalk to the Final Four. Duke, the alleged third No. 1 seed, is in the bracket with the weakest No. 2 (Villanova) and No. 3 (Baylor) and No. 4 (Purdue).

Meanwhile, the Jayhawks draw No. 2 seed Ohio State, the team many believe deserved a No. 1, and No. 3 Georgetown and No. 4 Maryland. Every expert I heard Sunday stated the obvious: Kansas is in the toughest bracket in the tournament, and Duke is in the easiest.

Why?

“Duke and (North) Carolina bring big built-in audiences to TV sets,” CBS programmer Mike Aresco told a USA Today reporter last year in explaining CBS’s 2009 tournament ratings bump.

The NCAA needs another bump.

Over the last 15 years, the NBA has stripped the college game of name-brand, ratings-generating players to showcase. Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James skipped college ball altogether.

Kevin Durant, Greg Oden, Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley and Stephen Curry — to name just a few — could all conceivably still be looking for one last shining moment in front of Jim Nantz and Clark Kellogg. Instead, they’re NBA millionaires, leaving the NCAA to promote legendary coaches and tradition-rich programs.

No coach and no team move the needle better than Mike Krzyzewski and the Duke Blue Devils.

They’re the Tiger Woods of hoops, a squeaky-clean fantasy that sports fans love and love to hate.

Short of Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, Coach K and his All-American Boys have been the NCAA’s best box-office draw. Duke’s 1992 victory over Michigan is the second-most-watched championship game after Magic-Bird. Duke’s loss to Arkansas in 1994 is fourth.

I know. Around here, we’re quite proud of Kansas’ rich tradition. The Jayhawks produced Dr. Naismith, Wilt Chamberlain and Danny Manning. Kansas owns three NCAA titles. And just about everyone agrees Bill Self is as good a coach as there is.

Kansas fails the squeaky-clean charade.

Larry Brown hired Danny Manning’s dad and the program on probation. We still don’t know for sure how Darrell Arthur passed 10th-grade algebra. And then there’s that whole thing about Kansas being the favorite team of porn stars.

On a more serious note, Duke (and North Carolina to a lesser degree) score higher on the old “eyeball” test. Fewer tattoos and more white guys.

I just made many of you uncomfortable. Sorry. But it’s a fact.

It’s no different from Tiger Woods’ brown skin in a traditionally white-skin sport sending golf ratings (and sponsorship dollars) skyrocketing. Coach K and his band of Boys Next Door are the Great White Hopes of Hoops. Three of Duke’s five starters are white. Their top two scorers are white.

I’m not complaining. I’m not anti-Duke at all. I would love to have a son play for Coach K. It would mean that my son excelled athletically and academically. Plus, I respect Coach K.

But let’s deal with the reality of why Duke was given a favorable draw. The NCAA is desperate for television ratings. The $6 billion CBS paid over 11 years financed a lot of things the NCAA likes to do — stuff like propping up nonrevenue sports.

Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the NCAA mandated that Christian Laettner, Grant Hill and Shane Battier referee all of the Blue Devils’ tournament games.

This is the price of television being in total control of the sports world. At contract time, the NCAA Tournament isn’t much different from “American Idol.”

3/24/2010 5:29 AM
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The selection committee consisted of:

AD from UCLA, Ohio State, Kent St., UC-Riverside, UConn, Texas-San Antonio, Xavier, and Wake Forest. Also the commissioners from the Big 12 and Big Sky Conferences. I can' see any of those people wanting to advance Duke at the expense of their own conferences.
3/24/2010 6:08 AM
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Well, none of those people are supposed to have any agenda relative to their own teams or conferences. They're supposed to do what's right, and I suppose what's good for the NCAA.

I'm not saying that I subscribe to Whitlock's theory, but I also don't think that those people being from other schools/conferences means that they can't have that sort of agenda.
3/24/2010 7:55 AM
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Who cares if Kansas was in the hardest bracket. Who cares if there 2 seed was Kentucky, their 3 seed was Syracuse, their 4 Seed was West Virginia and their 5 seed was Ohio State. They lost to Northern Iowa, a team that was not even mentioned when people talked about the strength of the bracket.
3/24/2010 10:27 PM
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3/24/2010 10:44 PM
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Typical Jason Whitlock. The guy ends up bringing race into damn near every article he writes. He wouldn't have a job otherwise, it's the only way he gets by.
3/26/2010 1:43 AM
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Oh, and that Kansas State-Xavier game sure was fun to watch!!
3/26/2010 1:44 AM
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And who would have thought that at this point in the tourney, we'd be three games away from having either Butler or Northern Iowa guaranteed to be playing for the National Championship. Put your hands down because you're LYING!! :^)
3/26/2010 1:49 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/26/2010And who would have thought that at this point in the tourney, we'd be three games away from having either Butler or Northern Iowa guaranteed to be playing for the National Championship. Put your hands down because you're LYING!! :^
And, with the Final Four in Indianapolis, Butler would have a big crowd advantage. It'd be interesting
3/26/2010 4:44 AM
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