Not if you don't think all 5m dollar players are alike.    Cash is nothing until you apply it.  

   If cash is nothing, then there should be no reason to object  to using it. Money is money. Cash is cash.My 5m in  cash buy can as much as your 5m in cash.  It can be wasted, or used wisely, or not at all,but it is still the same. If you acquire  that amount  through an increase in budget,or salary reduction, it is still the same. How you use it is a different story.No difference between giving an owner 5m in cash, or buying an addtional 5m contract ( happens all the time) in order to acquire a player.  I have done both,and they made both organizations  better. You are still buying a player for additional 5m in both transactions.  The major difference in using a contract to entice an owner to agree with you, is that you can use a whole lot more than 5m ( which I have also done, again aiding both teams)  this season,and for several more years beyond. Cash is a one year only deal., and limited to 5m in a transaction.Insofar as affecting the competitive balance, contractual deals are  potentially much more damaging, yet they routinely occur, Screams of foul play audible on Mars, and automatic rejection happen if cash is the primary tool. Both can be as legitmate/illegitimate as the other.

Again,

It's not cash. It's cap space. Any world worth it's salt vetoes a deal that gives someone a $190M cap and the rest of the world $185M.

 If  i acquire that cap space through an infusion of cash in a deal, or a reduction in salary, the result is the same.

I guess you have a short attention span.  I'll try again.    Cash is nothing until you apply it.  

I guess you lack perception. I was chiding you for stating the obvious.

I only read the first sentence.  It looked like you were rambling.  I don't read rambling.

We can't have rambling now can we. We should limit ourselves to profound and deep statements like" cash is nothing until you appy it"

 Pretty heavy statement if there ever was one. No rambling here,  No sir,just sound, well thought out .deep commentary

Posted by deathinahole on 4/9/2011 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again,

It's not cash. It's cap space. Any world worth it's salt vetoes a deal that gives someone a $190M cap and the rest of the world $185M.

death's statement is wrong.  And it completely misses the important points.

Limiting money in trades takes away one way to maintain long-term competitive balance.  It reduces trading, which I think is generally good for a world.

Yes, my opinion.  It's also economics & math.  My opinion is based on observation, economic theory & practice.  Not blindly adopting a position & repeating it over and over.

There's no changing the mind of someone whose only reply to any points made is to keep repeating the same incorrect & irrelevant thing over and over.

I have no doubt death knows more and understands more about hundreds of things than I do.  Based on his replies, this is not one of them.  Or maybe he's just messing with me.

If he wants to play in worlds that don't allow money in trades, more power to him.

Hopefully the people who make decisions about HBD features understand economics better than than death, and have an interest in running a fun, competitive, and challenging game.

Go find a cash trade, dumbft.
Add up all of that team's budget, + salary, + unused salary.

After a $5M cash deal, that adds up to $190M. Try it. Use a calculator if you need to. Ask an ecomonist, if you need to.

Now ask that economist if $190M is greater than $185M. If he has his or her degree, they will say "why yes, it is".

And that is the crux. You have put someone ahead of the rest of the league in terms of the purchasing power they have. Doesn't matter how they apply it. Doesn't matter if that person is dumber than bricks. it's the equivalent of starting a board game and giving someone more money to start the game than the rest. That person may still lose, but I'm not playing. I will pout.

Now, if your brain comprehends that, and still says "yes, I don't mind giving Charlie that kind of advantage", then there's the philosophical difference. C'est la vie. What I am saying, and what your tiny little brain has demonstrated, is that the average guy doesn't even get what the $5M is doing.

 Try the same with 5m in contracts instead of cash,and tell me why one 5m is different than the other. One raises the budget giving 5m in cap space. The other lowers the payroll giving 5m in cap space. Why is the cash as the primary tool  deal treated as immoral, and the contract  deal a regular occurrence when in reality, they are equal. After that, try with 5m in  contacts that run multiple years as oppossed to 5m in  cash which is a one year thing. Which side has the potential for more imbalance? Cash is perfectly legitimate as a primary tool in a trade.

Posted by bwb53 on 4/9/2011 2:03:00 PM (view original):
We can't have rambling now can we. We should limit ourselves to profound and deep statements like" cash is nothing until you appy it"

 Pretty heavy statement if there ever was one. No rambling here,  No sir,just sound, well thought out .deep commentary

No, you can ramble all you want.   I just won't read it.   The rambling posts are generally just a recap of a group of single trades that "prove" your point.   I've accepted full salary(or close to it) in trade couple of times.   I could detail them for you if you'd like but the results were marvelous.   Makes the game much easier when someone else pays your players.

5mil in increased cap space is 5 mil in increased cap space no matter how you slice it, or whatever you choose to call it.. I can buy the same amount of contract either way, and no more either way. I go from point A to Point A +5 mil either way The result is the same. Tell me how I can purchase more using cash,as oppossed to buying contract?

Cap space is the difference between what's in your player payroll budget, and what you've spent on player payroll.

Player payroll budget is the difference between $185m and the sum of the other 8 budgets that you set on budget day.  You should take note that you don't actually set your player payroll budget on budget day.  You set the other 8, and the reminder becomes player payroll.

Bottom line: cap space is, in the end, based on $185m.  When you acquire $5m in cash in a trade, then essentially you are playing with a $190m budget.  Which is more than $185m, if you're mathematically challenged and unable to figure that out for yourself.