WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE Topic

Evidently.  
6/20/2011 12:07 PM
Really, the split argument is what drives me nuts.

Prostitution ruins families....well, so does alcohol. Can't have it both ways.

Everyone does it so it's ok...not everyone does it. Like alcohol. Like porn. Like a few other grey area morality issues that are legal, yet other grey area morality issues are not.

It's not black or white, agreed, but it is philosophically contradictory.
6/20/2011 3:08 PM
Lots of things ruin families.  Legalizing another way isn't a good policy.  Especially if the logic is "people are gonna do it anyway."    And trading flesh really is hard to rationalize and compare to alcohol.
6/20/2011 3:24 PM
In your head.

The person that grew up with an alcholic family probably has a different mindset than you.

Thus, my point. I'm not saying "legalize another way". I'm saying "why is that legal and this not?". It's inconsistent. Moral vices are moral vices, and while you think you have a ranking in your head, why does it apply to all?
6/20/2011 3:27 PM
Unless you're pushing for a ban on alcohol, I'm missing your point.     I don't think you can criminalize everything.   But you don't have to legalize everything else because, in your mind, "IT'S THE SAME THING TO SOMEBODY!!!"    That's just another way of saying "I know you are but what am I?"

At the end of the day, you're peddling flesh.   I'm selling alcohol.   Sex takes two down here in America.  You can get drunk as **** by yourself anywhere on earth.
6/20/2011 3:51 PM
I'm pointing out the inconsistency in saying "ban this, it hurts others" and "this is ok, it hurts no one but yourself".

You're taking, in my opinion, a very narrow view of that. Saying alcohol hurts no one but yourself is your own personal experience. There are others that would disagree. Al-Anon, I'm sure, disagrees.

There are also others that say "I'm a single guy, I need to get laid, why am I being denied that?" Which isn't your viewpoint, because you are married, and that would break your marital vows.

Morality is perception. I'm not pushing for a total ban or for a wide sweeping change to legalize everything. I'm just pointing out that it's not as easy as someone standing up and saying "this is right, this is wrong".
6/20/2011 4:25 PM

We're talking about prostitution.   Wife-beating wrecks marriages too.   Legalize it?   Car wrecks wreck marriages.  Outlaw cars?    Dumb kids wreck marriages.  Kill them as soon as we've determined they're dumb?  

I was a single guy once, I somehow got laid with regularity.  And legally.   No one is being denied anything that's legal.

Seriously, try to stay on topic. 

6/20/2011 4:54 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Prostitution.

First, I'm going to assume most spouses aren't cool with their spouse getting it elsewhere.   I'm also going to assume that more than one of us would nail a prostitute when the wife was being bitchy if it was legal.  Assuming you still consider it victimless(you want some, the wife won't give it up, the prostitute will for a fee), you're still going to have some broken homes.   Wife finds out, takes the kids, kids have no father figure, kids get a little unruly, etc, etc, etc.

Second, there's the mental aspect of being a whore.  Young women(and men because you know the gays need equal rights) make bad decisions.   It's part of the growing up process.  Are you willing to say that no one will look back on their youth and say "I can't believe I let a fatass like swampy flop around on me for 3 minutes three times a week for 3 years" without regret?  I'm not sure you can come back from that.

Third, it's my contention that men get involve in relationships for the physical aspect.  We've got certain needs that have to be taken care of.  Unfortunately for us straight guys, there isn't a vast expanse of women willing to handle these needs unless they're getting something for it.  Since prostitution is illegal, we have to date them and maybe even marry the one we find tolerable to satisfy our carnal needs.   Making it legal to buy the poon would, without question, stop many men from getting involved in deeper relationships. 

Fourth, if the government run sex houses are charging $50, do you really believe that some enterprising gentleman won't get himself a stable of whores and charge $40?  You don't eliminate prostitition, you just drive it further underground(use abortion as a model). 

In summation, legalized prostitution will wreck family values.   And damn sure won't eliminate the illegal sex trade. 

Next.
1 Women would not like their husbands cheating on them. The majority of cheating is not professional. I cannot imagine many guys that would cheat on his wife, and can only get a hooker. This is at best a side note.

2 What would make it better, a criminal record. It isnt the question of "Would you want your daughter to do it", it is a question of "Would you want your daughter arrested for it. Prostitution goes on with the stigma of illegality. If any woman is in the position in her life where prostitution is the answer police will not usually slow her down.

3 1950 called and they want thier example back. Guys cant get laid without marriage? We already have hookers, we are just trying to stop wasting money trying to stop it.

4 Abortion is more underground now than when it was legal?? And who are these guys with only $30 who know where this secret house is? Another side example.

In Summation...If it would wreck it while legal it wrecks it now and it may not eliminate it, but it would seriously harm it.
6/20/2011 6:03 PM
I can't even respond to your dumbassery.   I don't think you've left the house in years. 
6/20/2011 7:23 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 4:54:00 PM (view original):

We're talking about prostitution.   Wife-beating wrecks marriages too.   Legalize it?   Car wrecks wreck marriages.  Outlaw cars?    Dumb kids wreck marriages.  Kill them as soon as we've determined they're dumb?  

I was a single guy once, I somehow got laid with regularity.  And legally.   No one is being denied anything that's legal.

Seriously, try to stay on topic. 

I am on topic. YOU say prostitution is immoral. Others do too. Others say it's not, it's a service.

There are countries in which it's legal.

I'm just stunned that you say it with such finality. "It's immoral". Ok MikeT23 Swaggert, if you say so. Where do I donate to your cause in order to save my soul?
6/20/2011 7:26 PM
I never used "immoral".   You can send me a $50 GC and you'll enjoy heaven in your afterlife.   Otherwise, you've got some problems.
6/20/2011 9:43 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 10:46:00 AM (view original):
FWIW, I think the whole sex trade does create a slippery(hehehe) slope that bottoms out at prostitution.   Porn and strip clubs desensitize us to certain things.  They allow us to view women as meat designed for our pleasure.   Most of us stop short of actually using them as such.   Legalized prostitution would allow us to cross that line. 

Then it becomes a moral issue.
When you say "then it becomes a moral issue", I think I'm correct that you're not saying "morally right"
Ergo, morally wrong
Ergo, immoral.

Ergo, STFU.
6/20/2011 10:19 PM

im·mor·al

1.
violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
2.
licentious or lascivious.

Just to help you out on your understanding of "moral issue"
6/20/2011 10:26 PM
pi·ous
having or showing a dutiful spirit of reverence for god or an earnest wish to fulfill religious obligations.
2.
characterized by a hypocritical concern with virtue or religious devotion; sanctimonious.
3.
practiced or used in the name of real or pretended religious motives, or for some ostensibly good object; falsely earnest or sincere: a pious deception.

This will help you out too.
6/20/2011 10:30 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 7:23:00 PM (view original):
I can't even respond to your dumbassery.   I don't think you've left the house in years. 
Really...why not try to respond to me.
6/21/2011 2:36 AM
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