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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 9:10:00 AM (view original):
Did you not read gomiami's post? You might have missed it so here is the link

Yes, I did.

I questioned the need for "baseline prestige" to be built into the game a long time ago. I would suggest either scaling its effects WAY down, or eliminating it altogether. Prestige should be based on a coaches track record, period. If coach_joe can build a powerhouse program at the University of Vermont, while coach_tommy struggles at Kentucky, them UVM should be a more attractive school to recruits than UK.

Shouldn't that be the goal? Reward the coaches who have the most success, rather than reward the coaches who get to land at the "prestigious" schools?

Okay good. So then you understand how baseline prestige would make for a bad time for most folks if there are 250 teams.

See! You did learn something!

I'll ask the same question that I asked last night, which was ignored.

Do you think WIS designed HD with the intent of having 80% of D1 teams run by SIMAI? Do you think that was their intended business model?

This game has evolved and changed so much over the last decade. Who knows what the original intention was. Why is that even relevant now?

It's relevant because, from a business perspective, the goal of a good business often is to sell more product.

If you were the King of WIS, and D1 started filling up but baseline prestige started causing people to turn away from the game, would you try to address the problem, or would you say "everything is working as designed"?

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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 9:16:00 AM (view original):
currently in Phelan there were 1,600 D3 recruits generated and 1,200 D1 recruits generated.

There are 55 human coached D3 teams and 113 human coached D1 teams.

Those numbers roughly correspond to the number of schools at each division.

The D1/D2/D3 designation for recruits are basically just window dressing, as players can be signed at any level. They're really just guidelines.

Great point. I know of many great D1 coaches who have built up their program using only D3 rated recruits. It's a super secret strategy that not many people know of. But I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

Stop acting retarded (unless you can't help it).

You KNOW that many great D3 teams are built from primarily/exclusively from D1 rated recruits.

That cat's been out of the bag for quite some time.

But But but. I thought the designation was just window dressing??

It is. That's why D3 teams can recruit D1 designated players.

What don't you understand?

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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 9:16:00 AM (view original):
currently in Phelan there were 1,600 D3 recruits generated and 1,200 D1 recruits generated.

There are 55 human coached D3 teams and 113 human coached D1 teams.

Those numbers roughly correspond to the number of schools at each division.

The D1/D2/D3 designation for recruits are basically just window dressing, as players can be signed at any level. They're really just guidelines.

Great point. I know of many great D1 coaches who have built up their program using only D3 rated recruits. It's a super secret strategy that not many people know of. But I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

Stop acting retarded (unless you can't help it).

You KNOW that many great D3 teams are built from primarily/exclusively from D1 rated recruits.

That cat's been out of the bag for quite some time.

But But but. I thought the designation was just window dressing??

It is. That's why D3 teams can recruit D1 designated players.

What don't you understand?

C'mon man. It's pretty obvious what I'm saying here but if you'd like, I'll say it again

There are 1,600 D3 recruits generated for 55 D3 humans
There are 1,200 D1 recruits generated for 113 D1 humans.

You don't see the imbalance that ALREADY exists? So you're going to have 1,200 D1 recruits for 250 D1 humans and that's going to work just fine?

No - from my conversations with tarek and Seble HS was never built for a fully populated world. Can't remember if the goal was 60-70% or not, and if those numbers were reached in all current worlds they would create a new world. Obviously that wont happen.

DIII in 3.0 with the current populations is the easiest to dominate. Frankly, if you cant make the NT every season with the lack of humans in DIII you wouldn't be able to do any better in DII/DI. Coaches who know what they are doing (ie OnlyThis) are absolutely dominating.

DI recruiting requires SO MUCH more strategy than the other two divisions due to lack of top caliber players. You have to constantly weigh your options on what's a good fight to get into and when its better to walk away. I think several posters have said similar things but you don't seem to understand.

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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 9:16:00 AM (view original):
currently in Phelan there were 1,600 D3 recruits generated and 1,200 D1 recruits generated.

There are 55 human coached D3 teams and 113 human coached D1 teams.

Those numbers roughly correspond to the number of schools at each division.

The D1/D2/D3 designation for recruits are basically just window dressing, as players can be signed at any level. They're really just guidelines.

Great point. I know of many great D1 coaches who have built up their program using only D3 rated recruits. It's a super secret strategy that not many people know of. But I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

Stop acting retarded (unless you can't help it).

You KNOW that many great D3 teams are built from primarily/exclusively from D1 rated recruits.

That cat's been out of the bag for quite some time.

But But but. I thought the designation was just window dressing??

It is. That's why D3 teams can recruit D1 designated players.

What don't you understand?

C'mon man. It's pretty obvious what I'm saying here but if you'd like, I'll say it again

There are 1,600 D3 recruits generated for 55 D3 humans
There are 1,200 D1 recruits generated for 113 D1 humans.

You don't see the imbalance that ALREADY exists? So you're going to have 1,200 D1 recruits for 250 D1 humans and that's going to work just fine?

People are going to have to settle for less than what they might be getting now in D1. So what?

Twelve of us have built a dominant D3 conference in Smith, primarily from pulling down low level recruits from D1. If, hypothetically, Smith D1 filled with humans, we would have to collectively change our strategies. We'd likely have to settle for "lesser" quality pulldowns from D2. We'd adjust. And we'd somehow live through it.

And if Smith D2 magically also filled with humans, and we had to settle for even lesser quality D3 players, we'd adjust for that as well. And we'd somehow live through that, too.

Seriously, your argument boils down to a sense of entitlement of "competition would make the game harder for us, and take us out of our comfort zone".

Posted by mullycj on 9/24/2017 9:49:00 AM (view original):
No - from my conversations with tarek and Seble HS was never built for a fully populated world. Can't remember if the goal was 60-70% or not, and if those numbers were reached in all current worlds they would create a new world. Obviously that wont happen.

DIII in 3.0 with the current populations is the easiest to dominate. Frankly, if you cant make the NT every season with the lack of humans in DIII you wouldn't be able to do any better in DII/DI. Coaches who know what they are doing (ie OnlyThis) are absolutely dominating.

DI recruiting requires SO MUCH more strategy than the other two divisions due to lack of top caliber players. You have to constantly weigh your options on what's a good fight to get into and when its better to walk away. I think several posters have said similar things but you don't seem to understand.

"You have to constantly weigh your options on what's a good fight to get into and when its better to walk away. I think several posters have said similar things but you don't seem to understand."

I pretty much said exactly that a few pages ago, when I posted about knowing how high up you can realistically reach during recruiting. I think I understand it perfectly.

My sense of entitlement? Sure bud.

Not sure why you included yourself in saying you built a dominant D3 conference.

And LE is a nice conference, props to those are have good teams in it. But it is definitely not dominant.

Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 10:08:00 AM (view original):
And LE is a nice conference, props to those are have good teams in it. But it is definitely not dominant.

Really?

#1 in conference RPI two seasons in a row (or is it three?). 9 teams made the post season (7 NT, 2 PI). One is ranked #1 and is two wins away from a National Championship. Another is playing for the PI championship tonight. Another made it to the Final Four last season.

And there's no reason to believe that that kind of success is not going to continue for seasons to come.

One team making it past the S16 each of the past 2 seasons. That's not dominant. Sorry but its not.

Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 10:23:00 AM (view original):
One team making it past the S16 each of the past 2 seasons. That's not dominant. Sorry but its not.

At a glance, I don't see a conference that has done better in D3 Smith. Admittedly, I'm too lazy to dig deep into this, but nothing jumped out at me to fit that criteria of better than 1 team to the elite 8 the past 2 seasons. A few teams have been there often, but they're dominant teams in thin conferences. Dominant may not be the right word to describe Smith as a whole, but no question it's one of the deepest and best. And it was built by a bunch of rookie coaches within 5 or so seasons. We just added two very solid vet coaches to the mix, so things are going to grow from where we are now.

Not trying to jump into this argument, but the LE shouldn't be dismissed as not being a powerful conference.

Mully's first paragraph speaks volumes to the original intent of D1. When it started to get full (200 teams), a new world was opened to try and thin the herd a bit.

The other thing no one has brought up is your recruiting budget in 3.0. As has been stated countless times you HAVE to compete for top tier guys to be a good team. If you have 5 openings you're basically hoping you can go all-in on three guys. If you lose more than one of those battles not only is your budget gone but you have no money to spend on backup options (which don't really exist but the non-D1 coaches think they do so I'll humor them). Unlike D2 and D3 it's not a matter of "do I battle for this kid or move on to someone that's similar but I don't have to battle for?" If you aren't battling for multiple kids each season in D1 you aren't recruiting guys worth a damn or you're extremely lucky. Again, you HAVE to battle in D1. The goal is to find the guys you have the best chance of winning and hope for good outcomes when the kid makes his decision.

Best way to win at D1?

1. Get a good mentor.
2. Play around 4-5 humans in nonconference with similar lengths at their school and similar prestige. The rest should be decent sims on the road. If you got the stones challenge one powerhouse to a home and home series. Sure they will crush you early but you can use that as a barometer for your teams improvement.
3. Be willing to listen to advice or help from conference mates. They want you to win so their conference RPI and SOS go up. Take with a grain of salt because they are also competing with you.
4. Help others. You might help someone who later learns something that they will share to help you.
5. Encourage each other. Maybe talk a little smack. Motivation plays a big part in checking in regularly to keep your teams motor running like a finely tuned engine.It feels good sometimes to have a conference mate wish you luck before a big game.
6. Check forums and ask questions.
7. Recruit for your style of play.
8. Gameplan daily

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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 10:23:00 AM (view original):
One team making it past the S16 each of the past 2 seasons. That's not dominant. Sorry but its not.

At a glance, I don't see a conference that has done better in D3 Smith. Admittedly, I'm too lazy to dig deep into this, but nothing jumped out at me to fit that criteria of better than 1 team to the elite 8 the past 2 seasons. A few teams have been there often, but they're dominant teams in thin conferences. Dominant may not be the right word to describe Smith as a whole, but no question it's one of the deepest and best. And it was built by a bunch of rookie coaches within 5 or so seasons. We just added two very solid vet coaches to the mix, so things are going to grow from where we are now.

Not trying to jump into this argument, but the LE shouldn't be dismissed as not being a powerful conference.

I never said it wasn't good. It's a solid conference and you guys have done a nice job. I think you will actually win the title this season.

But dominant? There are conferences that put multiple teams in the E8 and FF. There are conferences that produce titles from different teams on a regular basis.

You guys may get there eventually. But the conference needs a lot more postseason success to be considered dominant when compared to other super conferences.

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Posted by Benis on 9/24/2017 10:23:00 AM (view original):
One team making it past the S16 each of the past 2 seasons. That's not dominant. Sorry but its not.

At a glance, I don't see a conference that has done better in D3 Smith. Admittedly, I'm too lazy to dig deep into this, but nothing jumped out at me to fit that criteria of better than 1 team to the elite 8 the past 2 seasons. A few teams have been there often, but they're dominant teams in thin conferences. Dominant may not be the right word to describe Smith as a whole, but no question it's one of the deepest and best. And it was built by a bunch of rookie coaches within 5 or so seasons. We just added two very solid vet coaches to the mix, so things are going to grow from where we are now.

Not trying to jump into this argument, but the LE shouldn't be dismissed as not being a powerful conference.

I never said it wasn't good. It's a solid conference and you guys have done a nice job. I think you will actually win the title this season.

But dominant? There are conferences that put multiple teams in the E8 and FF. There are conferences that produce titles from different teams on a regular basis.

You guys may get there eventually. But the conference needs a lot more postseason success to be considered dominant when compared to other super conferences.

Like I said, there isn't a conference that has put "multiple teams in the E8 and FF" in Smith. Actually, I misspoke earlier. There is one. But there are 3 humans in that conference. Dominant conference or two dominant teams?