Savage IV Rosters/Commentary Topic

“Big 4” Evals

Cmcafeeky: LeBron, Larry Nance, Robert Parish, Joakim Noah

Getting Noah was clever. LeBron is best when playing PG, but you’ll need to get some assists elsewhere in order to pull that off. Parish has a variety of different types of seasons to play with - sometimes he can be a great 2nd banana to LeBron, other times he can be a more balanced sidekick. Good start, but I would’ve been too tempted to go with Paul George at the end of round 2. You’ll be hunting for 3s quite a bit going forward. Rebounding and D should be strong.

jhsukow: Wilt, Bill Russell, Kyrie Irving, Kobe Bryant

This is pretty scary, tbh. Two fantastic rebounders up front, one of the best 3pt shooters in the SIM, and then Kobe’s do-it-all profile. Also you have 3 absolute minutes beasts. Assists will be just meh, which is a huge pivot for you. I think you made the right pick in all 4 rounds, but you have very specific needs for your 5th starter and I’m interested to see if you can get it.

jkaye24: Steph Curry, KAT, Donyell Marshall, Pau Gasol

At first glance, I don’t like Gasol as KAT’s frontcourt partner. However, Jkaye is a monster in savage (2nd place last season) so I’ll trust his process. The shooting is absolutely fantastic, and the D is just okay, there will be lots of 300 point games for this team, but having Steph in the clutch means you’ll probably win most of them. Curious to see who your 5th starter will be, could go in a few directions. I think you’re primed to grab a great player that doesn’t fit most teams since your build will allow it.

tarheel1991: Shaq, Tyson Chandler, Mookie Blaylock, Jrue

4 great players...interesting fit. Shaq is an incredible scorer but just an okay rebounder. Tyson is a good defender and extremely efficient but just an okay rebounder as well. Combine that with what appears to be Jrue at SG and I don’t think this team will win many rebounding battles. However, the passing looks good with a Mookie/Jrue backcourt, and the efficiency with those two feeding Shaq/Tyson will be good. Mookie stretching the floor for Shaq is nice too. Little dilemma with your 5th starter: do you get a PF that can play SF and try to shore up the boards but then have teams pack the paint on you since Mookie is the only real outside threat? Or do you double down on efficiency and put a shooter there? I could see this team being really good, or outside the top half, it all depends how the next picks go.

Robusk: Dwight Howard, Shawn Marion, Kyle Lowry, Deron Williams

I like what Robusk is doing. Pretty sure Lowry/Deron make a voltron PG between the two. It’s risky to do that before picking starters, but it can pay off well. I did the same with Deron/(undrafted) last season and was happy with the results. Marion has some seasons where he can be a SG, and others where he has to play PF. Interested to see how you draft around that. This is a very Robusk team - nice and clean, every minute these 4 guys already has an earmarked purpose, I’m sure. I’d be shocked if you didn’t have a top-8 finish. You’re in good position to draft a couple BPAs going forward.

Pexetera: Michael Jordan, Andre Drummond, Clint Capela, Andre Kirilenko

Capela and AK47 in the 3rd/4th feel like the most Pex moves possible. This team is going to feast on the boards. There are going to be some interesting lineups. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of MJ at PG, with Kirilenko playing a Pippen-role. Interested to see what the 5th starter will be and if it’ll be someone who gives me pause to playing -3 on this squad. Pex is a savage in savage, and I’m sure this will be a very strong contender this season.

dBKC: Giannis, Shawn Kemp, Ben Simmons, Clyde Drexler

I went with Kemp/Simmons in the 2nd/3rd in S2 when I finished with the silver medal....however, they were complimenting the best shooter of all time (Steph) that season, and this season they’re complimenting Giannis and his “please don’t take a 3!” jumper. Drexler gives me a little shooting but I’m on the hunt for more. I have to figure out how to play Giannis at PF in 2 seasons and at SF in 3 seasons (and who to draft to make that possible), but my boards should be strong, especially in the 3 Simmons seasons. Passing should be above average with Giannis in the frontcourt. Drexler is a nice chess piece who will start in a few leagues and who will be a super 6th man in others. I was looking at Kobe and Kirilenko and Jrue and Deron in the 4th but got poached 4x
3/13/2021 11:51 AM
@dbkc: Drexler is tricky. I used him successfully last season and less successfully the season before that. In season 2, I was asking him to be a second banana. In season 3, I think I only started him twice and he was more of a bench scorer / 3rd or 4th option. The assists are nice and the OREB% for a SG opens up a nice advantage. I invariably end up using two seasons that are low on threes which you kind of have to work around. If you go with them, I think you can just pair them with the two times you aren't using Simmons and be in good shape. I like the pick!
3/13/2021 12:08 PM
" Pretty sure Lowry/Deron make a voltron PG between the two. It’s risky to do that before picking starters, but it can pay off well. I did the same with Deron/(undrafted) last season and was happy with the results " This is what I had in mind, and I remembered you prioritizing a good PG platoon the last two seasons. I spent a lot of time during season two re-thinking everything so I wouldn't finish outside the top ten a second time. I looked at every team and I came to the decision that good, consistent PG play is the hardest thing to fill in this league. It is why CP3 was my top priority last season. Ending up so high in the draft this season, I wanted to try Dwight but I knew I would end up with two PGs in my top 5. Both should be able to play a little backup SG when required.
3/13/2021 12:11 PM
When pex drafted MJ, I hadn't considered he would play him at PG but now that you mention it and I see the Kirilenko pick, it seems so obvious that I feel like a dolt for missing it.
3/13/2021 12:12 PM
I’m so far ahead on minutes that I’m planning on using the 750 Nets season for Ky. The days of 100 AST are over, but maybe I can get most teams to stay over 80
3/13/2021 12:18 PM
I don’t love the Gasol fit either. I was going to take Capela, but pex beat me to it. Gasol is at least a flexible player but I agree it’s not smooth sailing for me.
3/13/2021 12:44 PM
Good stuff dBKC. The current plan is for Jrue and Mookie to share PG minutes, with Jrue playing more SG on some teams. Probably will be another combo-guard type joining them at some point, depending on who falls. Still figuring out the plan at SF; you're right that I probably need some serious boards there. My teams tend to be pretty average on the boards, though.
3/13/2021 2:11 PM
God help the people who are still needing to fill PG.
3/13/2021 2:21 PM
I still see a few point guards who are pretty good.

I do like the high usage point guard strategy of pex. It corresponds to the lack of two way point guards in this league. I can see already that pex is going to kill it.

If anything, Kirilenko is a tricky play. You'll get boards but his TOs and fouls leave a lot to be desired, even if he'll block and steal to make up for it. The efficient seasons don't have as many minutes as you imagined. A dominant frontline could take a hammer to the weaker defensive seasons of Drummond and Capela. pex will be top 5 regardless

dB, I suspect you'll end up using a Houston Drexler season or two on the Simmons teams to get some threes. Not such a bad thing if your two starting PGs are Simmons and Drexler.

I hope somebody scoops up my boy at point guard. Won't be me but the benefits are pretty obvious. Worked out pretty well for me in Season 2
3/13/2021 2:49 PM (edited)
I was initially cold on Wilt and Russell, but then I realized how many minutes they both bring. jh can invest nine picks in his perimeter positions and his very last pick on a halfway decent frontcourt backup. I'm really curious to see how that works out
3/13/2021 2:35 PM
Can we do Savage Over/Unders?
3/13/2021 2:49 PM
Posted by bds9992 on 3/13/2021 2:35:00 PM (view original):
I was initially cold on Wilt and Russell, but then I realized how many minutes they both bring. jh can invest nine picks in his perimeter positions and his very last pick on a halfway decent frontcourt backup. I'm really curious to see how that works out
I'll probably go frontcourt help in the 11th, but yeah, that is the plan.
3/13/2021 3:07 PM
albi took Alvin Robertson in the same exact spot last draft.
3/13/2021 3:25 PM
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