Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

 I would say judeo christian values emphasize the individual over the group. 

Sounds more like capitalism than Judeo-Christian.  Even so,  if these values emphasize individuality, then why try to push restrictions on gay marriage?
11/6/2010 12:07 AM
We got here because the teabaggers are ignorant about American history and they point to things to make their point that make no sense. The teabaggers lack knowledge which is different than being stupid. They want to starve the beast that is govt. to control spending. The great conservative tried that and it did not work. The teabaggers are dangerous because they are so ignorant. Their passion is great though and they did stand up to the great equalizer.
11/6/2010 12:13 AM
Posted by tpob18 on 11/6/2010 12:13:00 AM (view original):
We got here because the teabaggers are ignorant about American history and they point to things to make their point that make no sense. The teabaggers lack knowledge which is different than being stupid. They want to starve the beast that is govt. to control spending. The great conservative tried that and it did not work. The teabaggers are dangerous because they are so ignorant. Their passion is great though and they did stand up to the great equalizer.
We're in agreement there.

We've strayed from the point though.  If the Founders were deists (at least most of the ones we idolize), and our Constitution defines a separation of church and state, and the American judicial system is based on ancient law, then why should the government be allowed to promote Christian symbols?  And why is it wrong for the ACLU to fight against that?
11/6/2010 12:23 AM
Posted by creilmann on 11/6/2010 12:07:00 AM (view original):
 I would say judeo christian values emphasize the individual over the group. 

Sounds more like capitalism than Judeo-Christian.  Even so,  if these values emphasize individuality, then why try to push restrictions on gay marriage?
The ACLU emphasizes the rights of the individual over the group. "Judeo-christian values", as tpob seems to be representing them (i.e. the Ten Commandments) are all about putting the security of the community above the individual.
11/6/2010 12:46 AM
This is epic, if a little iffy on its pop culture metaphors.

Whatever else happens the next two years, politically it's going to be entertaining as all hell.

An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum



*NOTE: PLEASE RE-READ THE TITLE OF THIS ESSAY BEFORE GOING FURTHER. NOTICE, IT IS AIMED AT THE WHITE RIGHT. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE. ANYONE WHO THINKS THIS ESSAY IS “ANTI-WHITE PEOPLE,” AS OPPOSED TO THAT SEGMENT OF THE WHITE COMMUNITY THAT IS RIGHT WING, CANNOT READ PLAIN ENGLISH. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.*
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For all y’all rich folks, enjoy that champagne, or whatever fancy *** Scotch you drink.
And for y’all a bit lower on the economic scale, enjoy your Pabst Blue Ribbon, or whatever ****** *** beer you favor.
Whatever the case, and whatever your economic station, know this…
You need to drink up.
And quickly.
And heavily.
Because your time is limited.
Real damned limited.
So party while you can, but mind the increasingly loud clock ticking away in the corners of your consciousness.
The clock that reminds you how little time you and yours have left.
Not much more now.
Tick, tock.
Tick, tock.
Tick.
Tock.
I know, you think you’ve taken “your country back” with this election — and of course you have always thought it was yours for the taking, cuz that’s what we white folks are bred to believe, that it’s ours, and how dare anyone else say otherwise — but you are wrong.
You have won a small battle in a larger war the meaning of which you do not remotely understand.
‘Cuz there is nothing even slightly original about you.
There have always been those who wanted to take the country back.
There were those who, in past years, wanted to take the country back to a time of enslavement and indentured servitude.
But they lost.
There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when children could be made to work in mines and factories, when workers had no legal rights to speak of, when the skies in every major city were heavy with industrial soot that would gather on sidewalks and windowsills like volcanic ash.
But they lost.
There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when women could not vote, or attend any but a few colleges, or get loans in their own names, or start their own businesses.
But they lost.
There were those who wanted to take us back to a time when blacks “had no rights that the white man was bound to respect,” – this being the official opinion of the Supreme Court before those awful days of judicial activism, now decried by the likes of you – and when people of color could legally be kept from voting solely because of race, or holding certain jobs, or living in certain neighborhoods, or run out of other towns altogether when the sun would go down, or be strung up from trees.
But they lost.
And you will lose.
So make a note of it.
Tweet it to yourself.
Put it on your Facebook wall and leave it there so you’ll remember that I told you so.
It is coming, and soon.
This isn’t hubris. It isn’t ideology. It is not wishful thinking.
It is math.
Not even advanced math. Just simple, basic, like 3rd grade math.
The kind of math that proves how your kind — mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like — are dying.
You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass — even if it takes four sequels to make it happen — but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.
Fair enough, and have at it. But remember how this movie ends.
Our ankles survive.
You do not.
Michael Meyers, Freddie Kreuger, Jason, and that ******* husband in that movie with Julia Roberts who tracks her down after she runs away and changes her identity–they are all done. Even that crazy ****** in Saw is about to be finished off for good. Granted, he’s gonna be popping out in 3-D to scare the kiddies, so he isn’t going quietly. But he’s going, as all bad guys eventually do.
And in the pantheon of American history, conservative old white people have pretty much always been the bad guys, the keepers of the hegemonic and reactionary flame, the folks unwilling to share the category of American with others on equal terms.
Fine, keep it up. It doesn’t matter.
Because you’re on the endangered list.
And unlike, say, the bald eagle or some exotic species of muskrat, you are not worth saving.
In forty years or so, maybe fewer, there won’t be any more white people around who actually remember that Leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, Opie-Taylor-Down-at-the-Fishing Hole cornpone bullshit that you hold so near and dear to your heart.
There won’t be any more white folks around who think the 1950s were the good old days, because there won’t be any more white folks around who actually remember them, and so therefore, we’ll be able to teach about them accurately and honestly, without hurting your precious feelings, or those of the so-called “greatest generation” — a bunch whose white contingent was top-heavy with ethical miscreants who helped save the world from fascism only to return home and oppose the ending of it here, by doing nothing to lift a finger on behalf of the civil rights struggle.
It’s OK. Because in about forty years, half the country will be black or brown. And there is nothing you can do about it.
Nothing, Senõr Tancredo.
Nothing, Senõra Angle, or Senõra Brewer, or Senõr Beck.
Loy tiene muy mal, hijo de Puta.
And by then you will have gone all in as a white nationalist movement — hell you’ve all but done that now — thus guaranteeing that the folks of color, and even a decent size minority of us white folks will be able to crush you, election after election, from the Presidency on down to the 8th grade student council.
Like I said, this is math. And numbers don’t lie.
Bottom line, this too shall pass.
So enjoy your tax cuts a while longer.
Go buy whatever you people buy when your taxes get cut: a new car or two, a bigger house, an island. Whatever.
Go back to trading your derivatives, engaging in rampant financial speculation that produces nothing of value, that turns the whole world into your personal casino. Whatever.
Play your hand, and for the love of God play it big. Real big. As in, shoot for the moon big. As in, try to privatize Social Security, and health care, and everything else. Whatever.
At least that way everyone will be able to see what you’re really about.
We’ve been trying to tell them, but nothing beats seeing it with your own eyes, so “Go big or go home,” Bubba.
Git ‘er Done.”
Cowboy up,” or whatever other stupid catch phrase strikes your fancy.
Just promise you’ll do more than talk this time.
Please, or as one of your celluloid heroes might put it, “make my day.”
Do whatever you gotta do, but remember that those who are the victims of your greed and indifference take the long view.
They know, but you do not, that justice is not for the sprinters, but rather for the long distance runners who will be hitting their second wind, right about the time that you collapse from exhaustion.
They are like the tortoise to your hare.
They are like the San Francisco Giants, to your New York Yankees: a bunch that loses year after year after year, until they finally win.
You have had this confidence before, remember?
You thought you had secured your position permanently after the overthrow of reconstruction in the wake of the civil war, after the elimination of the New Deal, after the Reagan revolution, after the Republican electoral victory of 1994. And yet, those you thought you had cowed and defeated are still here.
Because those who have lived on the margins, who have been abused, maligned, targeted by austerity measures and budget cuts, subjected to racism, classism, sexism, straight supremacy and every other form of oppression always know more about their abusers than the abusers know about their victims.
They have to study you, to pay careful attention, to adjust their body armor accordingly, and to memorize your sleep patterns.
You, on the other hand, need know nothing whatsoever about them. And this, will surely prove politically fatal to you in the end. For it means you will not know their resolve. Will not fear it, as you should.
It means you will take their greatest strength — perseverance — and make of it a weakness, called losing.
But what you forget, or more to the point never knew, is that those who lose know how to lose, which is to say they know how to lose with dignity.
And those who suffer know how to suffer, which is to say they know how to survive: a skill that is in short supply amid the likes of you.
You, who could not survive the thought of minimal health care reform, or financial regulation, or a marginal tax rate equal to that which you paid just 10 years earlier, perhaps are under the illusion that everyone is as weak as you, as soft as you, as akin to petulant children as you are, as unable to cope with the smallest setback, the slightest challenge to the way you think your country should look and feel, and operate.
But they are not.
And they know how to regroup, and plot, and plan, and they are planning even now — we are — your destruction.
And I do not mean by that your physical destruction. We don’t play those games. We’re not into the whole “Second Amendment remedies, militia, armed resistance” bullshit that your side fetishizes, cuz, see, we don’t have to be. We don’t need guns.
We just have to be patient.
And wait for you to pass into that good night, first politically, and then, well…
Do you hear it?
The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?
Because I do, and the sound of its demise is beautiful.
So know this.
If you thought this election was payback for 2008, remember…
Payback, thy name is…
Temporary.
11/6/2010 9:46 AM
That is great. There is a line that states that states "‘Cuz there is nothing even slightly original about you",

That is what I see when I look at this message. Nothing original The people who represent Conservative values are racist, ignorant or horror movie icons. We are the bad guys.

When there are more hispanics and Blacks than whites something interesting will happen. They will become us. Blacks and Hispnaics will become Conservatives. They will look at thier lives and their families and realize that your side cannot help them. As the minority becomes that majority race will no longer be an issue. The issue will be if you are a productive member of society who wants to make the nation better or if you want to have a cradle to grave welefare state.

All the race baiting that liberals have used to hold on to power for the last 50 years will fall on deaf ears.


11/6/2010 5:38 PM
Anyone ever been to the Supreme Court building? Ever wonder why Moses(the chief lawgiver) is at the top of the roof gable? Ever wonder why the doors entering the Justice chamber has Roman numerals I-V on the left and VI- X on the right? It is because our justice system has its foundation on those principles. Probably because of our cultural heritage.

If you people believe alot of that nonsense that you are saying about Tea Party people, you really dont know much. You are talking about a group that is represented by every segment of society. I guess I understand it though. Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.
11/7/2010 12:41 AM
Looks like that letter should have been sent to every Ivy League grad that is in politics. From a regular guys perspective. Im just sayin.
11/7/2010 12:47 AM
That was awesome, Anton...nice to see the Left match the Tea Party for full-on crazy.
11/7/2010 1:09 AM
Posted by rlahann on 11/7/2010 1:09:00 AM (view original):
That was awesome, Anton...nice to see the Left match the Tea Party for full-on crazy.
It's gonna be a fun two years.
11/7/2010 1:45 AM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/7/2010 12:41:00 AM:
Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.

Oddly, that's exactly what the liberals and moderates say about the Tea Partiers (and the fundie Christians, if they bother to distinguish between the two).
11/7/2010 1:48 AM
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/7/2010 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Anyone ever been to the Supreme Court building? Ever wonder why Moses(the chief lawgiver) is at the top of the roof gable? Ever wonder why the doors entering the Justice chamber has Roman numerals I-V on the left and VI- X on the right? It is because our justice system has its foundation on those principles. Probably because of our cultural heritage.

If you people believe alot of that nonsense that you are saying about Tea Party people, you really dont know much. You are talking about a group that is represented by every segment of society. I guess I understand it though. Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.
Yes, actually, a couple of times.  And yes, Moses does appear on the eastern exterior of the SC building...along with Solon and Confucius, a symbol of the great ancient lawgivers of the East.  He also appears inside the courtroom, again with Confucius and Solon, but also Muhammad, Napoleon, Louis the IX, John Marshall and many other great figures of law and justice.

And yes, the Roman numerals I-V and VI-X appear on the courtroom doors, but they are symbols of the Bill of Rights, not the Ten Commandments.  

But hey, thanks for reinforcing what I and most of the country already know about the Tea Party's habit of misinterpreting and flat out lying about our country's history.
11/7/2010 9:27 AM
Flat out lying?

So when people point to the very real religion of the Founding Fathers and the fact that prayer in school and religious scripture in public buildings were common in those times and ask why a very real Christian majority in our nation are forced to hide their beliefs you think this is based on a lie?
11/8/2010 5:19 AM
Try paying attention Swamp.
11/8/2010 8:06 AM
Posted by creilmann on 11/7/2010 9:27:00 AM (view original):
Posted by mykids_31206 on 11/7/2010 12:41:00 AM (view original):
Anyone ever been to the Supreme Court building? Ever wonder why Moses(the chief lawgiver) is at the top of the roof gable? Ever wonder why the doors entering the Justice chamber has Roman numerals I-V on the left and VI- X on the right? It is because our justice system has its foundation on those principles. Probably because of our cultural heritage.

If you people believe alot of that nonsense that you are saying about Tea Party people, you really dont know much. You are talking about a group that is represented by every segment of society. I guess I understand it though. Many liberals and moderates are very bitter that all Americans dont have their ideology.
Yes, actually, a couple of times.  And yes, Moses does appear on the eastern exterior of the SC building...along with Solon and Confucius, a symbol of the great ancient lawgivers of the East.  He also appears inside the courtroom, again with Confucius and Solon, but also Muhammad, Napoleon, Louis the IX, John Marshall and many other great figures of law and justice.

And yes, the Roman numerals I-V and VI-X appear on the courtroom doors, but they are symbols of the Bill of Rights, not the Ten Commandments.  

But hey, thanks for reinforcing what I and most of the country already know about the Tea Party's habit of misinterpreting and flat out lying about our country's history.
Strong.
11/8/2010 8:20 AM
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