Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 10:58:00 AM (view original):
What interest do you have in SSM?

They want to. Since allowing it doesn't harm me or anyone else, I'm not going to tell someone else how to live their life.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 10:54:00 AM (view original):
The "harm" is in the payment of insurance/social security benefits.   That is money out of my pocket, indirectly, for unions that have never been seen in the history of the world.  


If the monetary aspect of SSM were removed, there would be less opposition. 

I'll disagree.  I have no problem if they are provided the same monetary benefits through a "civil union" or a "domestic partnership".

Just don't call it "marriage".  Because marriage is between a man and a woman.

I'm thinking that's the main sticking point of the opposition.  That will never change,

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 10:58:00 AM (view original):
What interest do you have in SSM?

They want to. Since allowing it doesn't harm me or anyone else, I'm not going to tell someone else how to live their life.

What if somebody wanted to marry a woman who was already married?  Does it harm you if they do?  Will you tell them they can't do that?

I could care less about traditional marriage.    It's the benefits that make the states oppose it.    Always follow the money. 

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 11:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 10:58:00 AM (view original):
What interest do you have in SSM?

They want to. Since allowing it doesn't harm me or anyone else, I'm not going to tell someone else how to live their life.

Same can be said for drug use or suicide.   Legalize both?

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Traditions change all the time. What interest do you have in telling someone else what traditions they can participate in?

Everybody is free and welcome to participate in a traditional (i.e. one man, one woman) marriage.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 11:05:00 AM (view original):
I could care less about traditional marriage.    It's the benefits that make the states oppose it.    Always follow the money. 

Gay marriage increases government revenue.

Posted by tecwrg on 6/4/2012 11:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Traditions change all the time. What interest do you have in telling someone else what traditions they can participate in?

Everybody is free and welcome to participate in a traditional (i.e. one man, one woman) marriage.

Yet gay people aren't free to marry the person they want to marry. What interest do you have in determining how they live their life?

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 11:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 11:05:00 AM (view original):
I could care less about traditional marriage.    It's the benefits that make the states oppose it.    Always follow the money. 

Gay marriage increases government revenue.

And your data comes from all the gay marriages that have been performed?

Seven states and DC currently allow gay marriage. CA did for about a year. So, yeah, it does.

Seems like a pretty small sample size. 

Anyway, should we legalize drug use and suicide since neither would have any affect on others?

I'd also imagine that payouts for insurance/SS benefits have been very minimal because SSM is so new.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/4/2012 11:16:00 AM (view original):
Seems like a pretty small sample size. 

Anyway, should we legalize drug use and suicide since neither would have any affect on others?

Wait, so what's your sample size for the big increase in benefit payments?

I think we should legalize drug use and suicide.

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 11:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/4/2012 11:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 6/4/2012 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Traditions change all the time. What interest do you have in telling someone else what traditions they can participate in?

Everybody is free and welcome to participate in a traditional (i.e. one man, one woman) marriage.

Yet gay people aren't free to marry the person they want to marry. What interest do you have in determining how they live their life?

My interest is in upholding traditional values which have been defined over thousands of years of human culture and social norms.

You are free to live your life by those traditional values Why does someone else have to live according to the traditions you value?