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I did not know Mohammed was on the supreme court building. Interesting. Isn't that disrespectful to Islam to have an image of the prophet? Should that be removed out of respect to Islam or would that violate the tenets of seperation of church and state?
11/12/2010 9:55 PM (edited)
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Great point tpob.
Wikipedia.....In 1997, the Council on American-Islamic Relations requested that the Supreme Court remove the image of Muhammad from the marble frieze of the façade. While appreciating the fact that Muhammad was included in the court's pantheon of 18 prominent lawgivers of history, CAIR noted that Islam discourages depictions of Muhammad in any artistic representation. CAIR also objected that the prophet was shown with a sword, reinforcing long-held stereotypes of Muslims as intolerant conquerors. Chief Justice William Rehnquist rejected the request to sandblast Muhammad, saying the artwork "was intended only to recognize him, among many other lawgivers, as an important figure in the history of law; it is not intended as a form of idol worship." The court later added a footnote to tourist materials describing the frieze, calling it a "a well-intentioned attempt by the sculptor to honor Muhammad."

"it is not intended as a form of idol worship"...... I'm sure that is applicable to all of the figures depicted in that building.


11/12/2010 12:01 PM
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Or maybe they mentioned it about Muhammad because his supporters might blow up buildings, cut of people's heands and slaughter women and children!
11/12/2010 9:36 PM
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Muslims dont hold a monopoly on slaughtering in the name of god. Opiate of the people my ***.
11/12/2010 10:01 PM
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Very interesting stuff Crielman. Religion and law are intertwined. Laws should not be made based on religion but we also cannot deny our history and heritage and ignore the impact of religion on our culture. If the SC has Mo and Moses why can't an Alabama court room display the 10 commandements.

The secular wackos are just as crazy as the religious freaks. Our schools ignore religion and therefore are failing to properly educate. Can anyone say that soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq would not have some benefit of learning a basic understanding of Islam?
11/14/2010 12:17 AM (edited)
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Posted by tpob18 on 11/13/2010 11:45:00 AM (view original):
Very interesting stuff Crilman. Religion and law are intertwined. Laws should not be made based on religion but we also cannot deny our history and heritage and ignore the impact of religion on our culture. If the SC has Mo and Moses why can't an Alabama court room display the 10 commandements.

The secular wackos are just as crazy as the religious freaks. Our schools ignore religion and therefore are failing to properly educate. Can anyone say that soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq would not have some benefit of learning a basic understanding of Islam?
1) Displaying the 10 Commandments in an Alabama court was an attempt to make a religious statement, and had nothing to do with the law.
2) It's not the 'secular wackos' who are preventing a history of different religions from being taught in classrooms. It's the Christianists who want their religion, and only their religion, to be taught who are the problem.
11/13/2010 12:46 PM
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Posted by tpob18 on 11/12/2010 10:01:00 PM (view original):
Muslims dont hold a monopoly on slaughtering in the name of god. Opiate of the people my ***.
In the last thousand years you are correct.

In the last 50 years it seems that Muslims may not hold the monopoly, but they seem to own the leading francise.

List all the religious based terror in the last 50 years that isnt Muslim against all that is.
11/13/2010 2:19 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 11/13/2010 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tpob18 on 11/13/2010 11:45:00 AM (view original):
Very interesting stuff Crilman. Religion and law are intertwined. Laws should not be made based on religion but we also cannot deny our history and heritage and ignore the impact of religion on our culture. If the SC has Mo and Moses why can't an Alabama court room display the 10 commandements.

The secular wackos are just as crazy as the religious freaks. Our schools ignore religion and therefore are failing to properly educate. Can anyone say that soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq would not have some benefit of learning a basic understanding of Islam?
1) Displaying the 10 Commandments in an Alabama court was an attempt to make a religious statement, and had nothing to do with the law.
2) It's not the 'secular wackos' who are preventing a history of different religions from being taught in classrooms. It's the Christianists who want their religion, and only their religion, to be taught who are the problem.
Yes there was a religious element to it but it was also there as a symbol of where our laws come from and therefore did have something to do with law. Laws come from the experience of man and faith in God played a major role in their formation. Most people still cling to the ancient superstition of a creator even if they do except the fact of evolution. If the overwhelming majority of the people have no issue with it and they do not violate the rights of others they should be able hang whatever symbol they want in the court or on the lawn.

If the public schools in Detroit were to close for Ramadan that would be okay. It is okay that spring break for public schools usually coincide with easter. It is okay for govt to recognize religion as long as it does not restrict it or force it.
11/14/2010 2:33 PM (edited)
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/13/2010 2:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tpob18 on 11/12/2010 10:01:00 PM (view original):
Muslims dont hold a monopoly on slaughtering in the name of god. Opiate of the people my ***.
In the last thousand years you are correct.

In the last 50 years it seems that Muslims may not hold the monopoly, but they seem to own the leading francise.

List all the religious based terror in the last 50 years that isnt Muslim against all that is.
Not worth arguing about but in pov of many muslims their people are being slaughtered in the name of judism and Christianity.

Also there are many people that go to college football games of the most overrated conference that are just as fanatical as the muslims and would do the same things if their situations were reversed.

Even in the last 50 years there are plenty of examples non muslim religious violence, but what is your point? Is it that in the last 50 years most of the violence has been caused by muslims? Really, Are you sure?


11/14/2010 1:14 AM (edited)
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List all the religious based terror in the last 50 years that isnt Muslim against all that is.

We're not counting Northern Ireland or Bosnia, right?  The LRA in Uganda?  The NLFT in Tripura?  How about the violence in the South against blacks or the anti abortion hit-lists?  None of that counts, right?
11/14/2010 12:16 PM
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Posted by creilmann on 11/14/2010 12:16:00 PM (view original):
List all the religious based terror in the last 50 years that isnt Muslim against all that is.

We're not counting Northern Ireland or Bosnia, right?  The LRA in Uganda?  The NLFT in Tripura?  How about the violence in the South against blacks or the anti abortion hit-lists?  None of that counts, right?
Nothing that doesn't support swamp's opinion ever counts.
11/14/2010 3:09 PM
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The English oppression of Irish was the first one that came to mind for me as well.

I seem to remember Christians and Muslims slugging it out in Lebanon as well. It is true though that muslims have been the worst in the last 50 years but so what. No country has ever went to war not believing God or destiny was on their side.
11/15/2010 12:22 AM
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Posted by genghisxcon on 11/14/2010 3:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by creilmann on 11/14/2010 12:16:00 PM (view original):
List all the religious based terror in the last 50 years that isnt Muslim against all that is.

We're not counting Northern Ireland or Bosnia, right?  The LRA in Uganda?  The NLFT in Tripura?  How about the violence in the South against blacks or the anti abortion hit-lists?  None of that counts, right?
Nothing that doesn't support swamp's opinion ever counts.
I accept Northern Ireland.

NLFT? Much more political than religious.

LRA and NLFT Together are about 2500 people.

I am dying to see you connect racism in the South to Christianity.

Anti-Abortion hit lists? I could find almost no documentation of this. Can you cite a source?

Compare that to the 30 years of terror the US and its allies have suffered at the hands of Muslims!
11/15/2010 1:41 AM
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Posted by antonsirius on 11/13/2010 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tpob18 on 11/13/2010 11:45:00 AM (view original):
Very interesting stuff Crilman. Religion and law are intertwined. Laws should not be made based on religion but we also cannot deny our history and heritage and ignore the impact of religion on our culture. If the SC has Mo and Moses why can't an Alabama court room display the 10 commandements.

The secular wackos are just as crazy as the religious freaks. Our schools ignore religion and therefore are failing to properly educate. Can anyone say that soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq would not have some benefit of learning a basic understanding of Islam?
1) Displaying the 10 Commandments in an Alabama court was an attempt to make a religious statement, and had nothing to do with the law.
2) It's not the 'secular wackos' who are preventing a history of different religions from being taught in classrooms. It's the Christianists who want their religion, and only their religion, to be taught who are the problem.
False...it's both.  Well, kind of.  The right is blocking a religious education curriculum because they only want Christianity taught--the left is blocking a religious ed curriculum because they're afraid it'll be implemented as Christian indoctrination in a lot of districts...which, true.  So it's kind of this weird situation where both sides agree to not have it...which is why there's no major effort to get it done.  

But I'm with Tpob--it's an absolute failure of the educational system to not have it included.  HOWEVER, everything I've read suggests that the armed forces are actually doing a pretty good job at getting soldiers up to speed on Islam before they hit the ground in Afghanistan/Iraq.
11/15/2010 12:31 PM
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Yeah, I can't imagine why anyone would think the Christians are actively campaigning to take over the education system...

Sure, it's Louisiana, and they're just generally crazy about everything, but it's still something that can be used as a blueprint in other states.
11/15/2010 12:58 PM
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