Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/15/2010 11:58:00 PM (view original):
As for the 2nd half, why didnt you respond to it? I wanted you to explain what you think the outcome of mandatory religious training would be.

You may not have said the exact words, but you clearly implied that part of the problem was a lack of understanding.

Are you saying just learning this and seeing them in a positive light would make relations easier to acheive?

If not what is your actual goal in promoting mandatory religious education?

I never even identified the "problem"...Why do I want mandatory religious education?  Because we live in a diverse society and anything that allows us to understand each other better is a good thing.  I didn't say **** about it stopping terrorism...

Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/15/2010 11:56:00 PM (view original):
I want to take you at your word. I have 2 close friends who have Children High school age.

First one is in Saline Michigan
460 World Religions: 1 Trimester
Prerequisite: Grades 10-12 This elective course is a comparative study of religions in the world today, with a special focus on the following five: Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam and Judaism. Students will compare and contrast religious beliefs from numerous angles including history, geography, culture, scripture and practice. Through our study, we will discuss what “religion” means for individuals and societies today, as well as research how beliefs and practices have evolved over time. The preeminent goal of the course is that students will gain a greater understanding and respect for the similarities and differences of spiritual beliefs among fellow human beings.

Second one Attends in the City of Ferndale.

The Center for Advanced Studies and the Arts (CASA) is an exciting program that offers
challenging classes to students from Berkley, Clawson, Ferndale, Madison Heights, Lamphere
and Oak Park high schools......Comparative Religions I

So I know 2 kids and they both have access to a Religion class just like I did.

Again this doesnt really prove anything, but I think if I said something and the 2 examples that you looked up said the other thing you would call me on it.

I mean, I don't know what you want me to do with this...I gues it's awesome that they've got those classes, but trust me-that's the exception, not the rule.  There's no high school exit exam that evaluates RE, and, to the best of my knowledge, no state that has RE standards, it's not evaluated by NAEP, it's not in the common core standards that are being created/adopted...I mean, how am I supposed to respond to anecdote?

And I don't hit Google trying to "look up examples" that prove my point...that's why your arguments always suck and you end up posting **** that totally ruins your point like you did on the last page...skimming the net for random bits of data that fit what you're saying...it's not just bad argument, it's really **** thinking that gets you nowhere.

1 I really want to have this discussion. I am not trying to bug you.

2 I didnt just randomly Google. My friend Kevin has a daughter named Miranda in Saline High and my friend Ron has a son named Jerry who attends Ferndale high. I looked up 2 schools and both had it. My school still has one, Rochester.

3 You told me 20%. Do you stand by that?

4 Even if the Web Site was only Private schools that is a lot of schools.

5 And remember there is a lot of incidental teaching of religion in history class.

6 You switched a little here from staing it isnt happening to stating that there is no exit exam to evaluate RE? Should there be? Why?

7 Again I am not trying to **** you off. Isnt it possible that you are looking at this in a very technical sense and not seeing the big picture?

8 You got very touchy in the other thread when I questioned the good that would come of this. Anything that allows us to understand each other? Should we have global cooking, mandated by the NEA? How about global architecture? I realize that Religion is important in out lives, but I really think you are seeing a solution that does not exist.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/17/2010 3:51:00 AM (view original):
1 I really want to have this discussion. I am not trying to bug you.

2 I didnt just randomly Google. My friend Kevin has a daughter named Miranda in Saline High and my friend Ron has a son named Jerry who attends Ferndale high. I looked up 2 schools and both had it. My school still has one, Rochester.

3 You told me 20%. Do you stand by that?

4 Even if the Web Site was only Private schools that is a lot of schools.

5 And remember there is a lot of incidental teaching of religion in history class.

6 You switched a little here from staing it isnt happening to stating that there is no exit exam to evaluate RE? Should there be? Why?

7 Again I am not trying to **** you off. Isnt it possible that you are looking at this in a very technical sense and not seeing the big picture?

8 You got very touchy in the other thread when I questioned the good that would come of this. Anything that allows us to understand each other? Should we have global cooking, mandated by the NEA? How about global architecture? I realize that Religion is important in out lives, but I really think you are seeing a solution that does not exist.

I'm out...there's so much crap thinking in here that I'm not going to take the time to untangle it.

That is why you fail.

Not too long ago, I was discussing sustainable development with someone else on these boards.  You know, transit-oriented development, walkable communities, the decline of suburban sprawl.  When we were all growing up these were called neighborhoods.  Places where people lived, worked, shopped and played.  All within walking distance or maybe a short ride by bus or train if it was available,  compared to the 30 mile journeys that many have to take today.

Swamp, of course, chimed in and related this to communism, which I of course laughed off thinking it was just another ignorant argument from him, which it was.  But little did I know that there was something far more sinister behind his argument.  I finally figured out who was feeding him this garbage when I ran across this article today.

Enjoy.

Since I was first doesnt that mean you should email the Tea Party and tell them to stop parroting everything Swamp does?

I am not opposed to a community deciding to do something that makes them more green. I believe in freedom.

I am opposed to some Department in Washington deciding that something he read in the UN Newsletter is a great idea for everyone in America.
I am opposed to taxing people and then only giving them there money back if they all agree to submit to the same program.
I am opposed to the idea that suburban sprawl is bad, that growth is bad, that progress is bad.

I realize you need to condem me in the most vicious terms possible. I am the forum target of the left. If this were MSNBC I would be Rush or Sarah Palin.

You cannot make a reasoned rational argument supporting your claims. Either people agree with you or they are laughed at.

Since I was first doesnt that mean you should email the Tea Party and tell them to stop parroting everything Swamp does?

Ha! No. This little gem of a conspiracy theory has been floating around for some time now.  There's no way you could come up with something like that on your own.  In fact, one of your favorite sources, World Net Daily, has been pushing this nonsense for years.

You cannot make a reasoned rational argument supporting your claims.

Quite the contrary, it is you who cannot form rational arguments.  In this instance, I made very reasoned arguments about zoning laws, property taxes, the burden on infrastructure, etc, etc.  You responded with communism accusations.  Is that what you consider to be a reasoned, rational argument?

You forget, the only definition of "reasoned and rational" that swamp accepts is "stuff he agrees with".

I think the tea partiers are flawed too but this is a misinformation attack on the tea party. While they are stupid they are not that stupid. The only real platform they have is cut taxes and cut spending so this article is just part of the hate that both sides push on each other.

If the article stands on it's own with no other evidence, then you would have a point.  But if you google Tea Party and sustainable development or Agenda 21, you'll find that it's a pretty important topic on the Tea Party scene.

For one, the article is correct that this was a topic in the CO Gov election when the TP candidate warned that the UN was controlling Denver.  If you go to the Tea Party Patriots site (the national organization of the TP with close to 3000 affiliates and a cosponsor of the 9/12 march), they have all sorts of fun info on it.

The list goes on.  TP's in Florida, Virginia, Alabama, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Georgia, North Carolina, etc, etc, all subscribe to this.  They devote space on their websites and time at their meetings and conventions to this.  And you know that the candidates they support believe this **** as well, as evidenced by the gentlemen in CO.  

This isn't a hate piece, it's just a report on TP reality.

Oh I'm sure there are tea partiers who believe this crap just as I am sure there are people that believe George Bush ordered Sept 11th. I think this article is taking a small segment of the TP and applying it to the group and I think that is unfair. Their stupidity can stand on its own with out exaggeration.

The difference is, the 9/11 Truthers don't have gubernatorial and Congressional candidates spouting their particular conspiracy theories. Nor do they have someone like Glenn Beck mainstreaming their brand of crazy on a daily basis.

There's a reason Buckley worked so hard to drive this **** out of the GOP, tp. it's not poison to the party, it's poison to the country.

There is a difference between thinking that there is a conspiracy to let the UN control the country and just thinking it is a bad idea.

There is always a fear whenever the UN is involved. That is expected.

The bottom line is the idea for so called sustainable growth is just another left wing anti-growth idea. It is just bad economics.