Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/26/2010 7:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 11/23/2010 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tpob18 on 11/21/2010 11:51:00 AM (view original):
But those are the people bringing the tea party down by bringing their fringe crazy beliefs to a group dedicated to eliminating taxes and spending. They believe in small govt so they fit with the tea party but do not represent all of  them or even a majority. I don't want to be the defender of the tea party but as a white middle class male I do not feel I have any representation. If I did not think and were guided by emotion I could see myself buying into some of the tea party BS. They lose me with the cut taxes and spending blindly rhetoric. I do empathize with the tea party I just think there solutions are wrong.

Buckley may be the father modern conservatism but I see him as just an extension of british conservatism that says true strength is making the tough choice to sacrifice others or the whole system will break down. Kind of like the Ted Knight character in Caddyshack saying and I paraphrase "I sentenced kids younger to you to the death penalty. I didn't want to do it but I felt I owed it to them".

Oh great. Now I have to go watch Caddyshack again. "When you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you, though."

That's the thing for me - I don't really know what percentage of the Tea Party really buys into the Bircher filth or not. Nor do I know how many might be uncomfortable with it, but are willing to let it go to 'further the cause', which is almost as bad. I certainly don't see too many Tea Party folk actively working to oust the racists and paranoids from their ranks, and the percentage of "Tea Party candidates" (however you want to define that term) who are willing to feed that beast either in plain talk or through coded dog whistles is, well, shocking, even if it's somewhat reassuring that many of the most vocal ones like Angle and O'Donnell lost their elections. (Of course, just a couple of weeks later Beck went on his anti-Soros bender...)

And yeah, I'm not saying I agree with Buckley and his ilk on everything, but he was absolutely right to marginalize and to try and bury the paranoid strain of conservatism the Birchers represented.

Can you spellout "Bircher Filth" a little more.

Sounds like another reason for the left to bash the Tea Party without actually pointing to anything specific.

Can you spell out how the left bashes the Tea Party without actually pointing to anything specific. Please be specific and provide enough examples to demonstarte that it is not just a smattering of fringe lunatics.

"The Tea Party is a media spectacle to make working people believe they have power."

How about Anton implying Bircher Filth?

How about the Racist connection?

How about the painting of the Tea Party as violent?

How about the media created connection between Militias and the Tea Party?

How about claiming the tea party was created by Foxnews, Dick Armey, Freedomworks, The Kock Brothers and Sarah Palin.

Posted by creilmann on 12/10/2010 8:04:00 PM (view original):
"The Tea Party is a media spectacle to make working people believe they have power."

                                                                                     - Joe Bageant

The Media needs to attack the Tea Party to limit the ability of the Middle Class to re-gain power!

FTFY!

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/11/2010 1:52:00 AM (view original):
How about Anton implying Bircher Filth?

How about the Racist connection?

How about the painting of the Tea Party as violent?

How about the media created connection between Militias and the Tea Party?

How about claiming the tea party was created by Foxnews, Dick Armey, Freedomworks, The Kock Brothers and Sarah Palin.

Please be specific. Provide sources. Demonstrate breadth of claims rather than isolated statements–after all, you have a problem with isolated statements being connected to the Tea Party. Also, please provide evidence as to the inaccuracy of the referenced points.

1 Anton mentioned it a few times.

2 Race
http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/the_homophobic_and_racist_true_colors_of_the_tea_party_movement
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/11/02/race_and_the_tea_partys_ire_107805.html

3 Violence
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001259-504083.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVD5pdS9EOw

4 Tea Party and Militias
http://www.suite101.com/content/oath-keepers-militia----part-of-tea-party-a209295
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-herrington/oklahoma-state-to-sponsor_b_536777.html

5 Tea Party Formed by...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031503730.html Armey
http://mediamatters.org/reports/200904080025 Fox news

I am sure you are going to claim not enough evidence.

Since I have shown a clear pattern of media attacks can you support ANY of this?

Posted by zadnor on 12/10/2010 12:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 11/26/2010 7:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by antonsirius on 11/23/2010 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tpob18 on 11/21/2010 11:51:00 AM (view original):
But those are the people bringing the tea party down by bringing their fringe crazy beliefs to a group dedicated to eliminating taxes and spending. They believe in small govt so they fit with the tea party but do not represent all of  them or even a majority. I don't want to be the defender of the tea party but as a white middle class male I do not feel I have any representation. If I did not think and were guided by emotion I could see myself buying into some of the tea party BS. They lose me with the cut taxes and spending blindly rhetoric. I do empathize with the tea party I just think there solutions are wrong.

Buckley may be the father modern conservatism but I see him as just an extension of british conservatism that says true strength is making the tough choice to sacrifice others or the whole system will break down. Kind of like the Ted Knight character in Caddyshack saying and I paraphrase "I sentenced kids younger to you to the death penalty. I didn't want to do it but I felt I owed it to them".

Oh great. Now I have to go watch Caddyshack again. "When you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you, though."

That's the thing for me - I don't really know what percentage of the Tea Party really buys into the Bircher filth or not. Nor do I know how many might be uncomfortable with it, but are willing to let it go to 'further the cause', which is almost as bad. I certainly don't see too many Tea Party folk actively working to oust the racists and paranoids from their ranks, and the percentage of "Tea Party candidates" (however you want to define that term) who are willing to feed that beast either in plain talk or through coded dog whistles is, well, shocking, even if it's somewhat reassuring that many of the most vocal ones like Angle and O'Donnell lost their elections. (Of course, just a couple of weeks later Beck went on his anti-Soros bender...)

And yeah, I'm not saying I agree with Buckley and his ilk on everything, but he was absolutely right to marginalize and to try and bury the paranoid strain of conservatism the Birchers represented.

Can you spellout "Bircher Filth" a little more.

Sounds like another reason for the left to bash the Tea Party without actually pointing to anything specific.

Can you spell out how the left bashes the Tea Party without actually pointing to anything specific. Please be specific and provide enough examples to demonstarte that it is not just a smattering of fringe lunatics.

Did swamp seriously pretend ignorance when it comes to the crap the JBS pushes that has infected the Tea Party movement? Wow. It's just an unceasing flow of bullshit with him.

Here's a good starting place: any time someone - Obama or whoever - gets labeled a Marxist/communist/socialist in earnest, that person doing the labeling is parroting the Birchers' poisonous rhetoric. They've been throwing that **** around since Eisenhower.

Accusing people of being a communist is copyrighted by the JBS?

The JBS was never more than a small fringe group. They had some influence but never had power.

To label ideas like limited government and being anti-communist as JBS is giving them much more credit than is deserved!

No, it's not enough evidence. You cherry-pick isolated incidents but fail utterly to demonstrate a breadth of attacks. You have a problem with the actions of a few being projected onto the Tea Party as a whole yet you project a You Tube video onto the entire left as evidence of a vast conspiracy of lies against the Tea Party.

Anton said something a few times? Right or wrong, he's one person. A You Tube video? Really? Yeah, right there next to cats playing patty cake. And are you suggesting the media should not report threats and violence or affiliations and backers of a large political movement just because someone might erroneously think you're saying that it projects to every last person in that movement? Since the possibility of someone misunderstanding something, shouldn't Fox stop criticizing Obama just in case someone might erroneously think their criticism is rooted in racism rather than policy?

There has been far, far more coverage of the Tea Party's ideas and influence–in fact, well out of proportion to their percentage of the population–than to any unfounded attacks upon them, particularly in significant media. And, since you adamantly hold to your belief that the media is firmly in the grip of Liberals, that means Liberals are actually casting the Tea Party in a respectful, if not downright favorable, light.

Muslims For Bush founder and frequent Fox News guest Muhammed Ali Hasan has abandoned the GOP for the Dems after a racist smear campaign derailed his run for state party treasurer.

Guy knows how to twist the knife on the way out the door too:

I have three top political heroes: Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and now Nancy Pelosi. She has such a spine, like Reagan and Bush, they all have that in common: a spine of steel that comes from conviction... I am impressed by her vision. She convinced me that the Democrats will work to protect and further the interests and opportunities of minority Americans. That matched with the politics of Reagan for me. He was a champion of the American dream, the idea of America as a shining city on a hill. He expanded opportunities through small business credits and amnesty for immigrants. It was all about opportunity.

Posted by zadnor on 12/12/2010 9:39:00 AM (view original):
No, it's not enough evidence. You cherry-pick isolated incidents but fail utterly to demonstrate a breadth of attacks. You have a problem with the actions of a few being projected onto the Tea Party as a whole yet you project a You Tube video onto the entire left as evidence of a vast conspiracy of lies against the Tea Party.

Anton said something a few times? Right or wrong, he's one person. A You Tube video? Really? Yeah, right there next to cats playing patty cake. And are you suggesting the media should not report threats and violence or affiliations and backers of a large political movement just because someone might erroneously think you're saying that it projects to every last person in that movement? Since the possibility of someone misunderstanding something, shouldn't Fox stop criticizing Obama just in case someone might erroneously think their criticism is rooted in racism rather than policy?

There has been far, far more coverage of the Tea Party's ideas and influence–in fact, well out of proportion to their percentage of the population–than to any unfounded attacks upon them, particularly in significant media. And, since you adamantly hold to your belief that the media is firmly in the grip of Liberals, that means Liberals are actually casting the Tea Party in a respectful, if not downright favorable, light.

1 I started this asking for someone to explain why Anton is trying to connect the Tea Party to the JBS. I think it was a crazy position to take.

2 I linked multiple sources, you only responded to one. All the others were from main stream news or popular blogs.

3 No matter how many I show you can always claim that there is more on the other side. I cant actually show thousands of sources. My posts showed a pattern of abuse.

4 You are twisting things to the extreme. I show solid evidence and you cant show any evidence of your points. Show me positive stories about the Tea Party in mainstream media. Show me defense of the Tea Party in regards to racism and violence.

I have met the conditions of Prima Facie. Your turn!

You didn't meet any conditions. A couple inicidents here and there prove nothing. Either show a pattern of the Leftist consipracy of lies against the Tea Party or admit it doesn't exist.

I'm not the one claiming the Tea Party is getting a raw deal. I never said the Tea Party is racist or violent. Why should I produc evidence for a statement I didn't make?

How many statements you perceive as slights to the Tea Party are also imagined?

I showed a pattern of abuse. In a court of law setting I think I established a prima facie case, even if I only met the bare minimum standards.

And I realize that proving a negative is harder, but the simple standard of showing positive Tea Party coverage shouldnt be hard if it exists...Cant use Fox of course.

You didnt make the statements but you called my version into question. Are you saying this is all a theoretical exercise, that you dont have a belief either way?

And can you respond to my original question about Anton's JBS issues?

You think you established that your point was elf-evident? God, help me if I am ever wrongly accused of a crime, I will dig up Johnny Cochran before I will have you defend me.

So I can't use Fox? Okay, you can't use any of the sources you cited. You argue ridiculously, swamp. As for Anton, I really could give a leaping GD. I really don't even remember what he said mostly because I don't care. Certainly not enough to dredge it up. Why do you continue to insist that I defend posttions I have never taken?

Posted by swamphawk22 on 12/11/2010 1:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by creilmann on 12/10/2010 8:04:00 PM (view original):
"The Tea Party is a media spectacle to make working people believe they have power."

                                                                                     - Joe Bageant

The Media needs to attack the Tea Party to limit the ability of the Middle Class to re-gain power!

FTFY!

Google Search - Tea Party News Jan-Dec 2010......results:  no evidence whatsoever that the corporate media has given unfair negative coverage to the Tea Party.  

Same with 2009.