Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 11/05/2009
I am thinking about, just for kicks and to liven things up a bit, creating a "ranking" of coaches, kinda like blackie or others does with "dynasty lists" in each world.

Obviously, this is not soemthing to be delved into lightly. so it may take some time to develop methodology and to research things.

and obviously this is not meant to be an official "hall of fame" or anything like that. I will try my best to be objective, but im sure i will have certain biases that make my list less accurate than it could be.

But, i think if it is taken for what it is, it could be kind of a fun thing that might develop some high spirited debate.

Before i get started, ive got some questions that i would like your opinions on..., I have my own opinions, of course, and will reveal that in a day or two, but would like some feedback first.

1) should i try to make a seperate list for each world/division? or should i attempt to make a huge compilation of all coaches across all worlds?

2) should the list be the result of an objective computation of a formula? should the formula be public? or secret? or should the list be more subjective? would you go so far as to include non-gameplay factors such as contributions to the forums?

3) what should i do with aliases?

4) should it be an "all time" list which considers all coaches since day1 of HD and considers the entire career of every coach? or should it consider the past year? or past ten seasons? etc?

5) if i decide to do a huge "master" list, how should i deal with the fact that some coaches have 5+ teams and that helps them to compile big win totals? but at the same time many of these multi-team coaches often experiment (which can help the HD community gain knowledge soemtimes) and that may drag down thier winning percentage, how do we deal with that?

Wins is a very deseptive stat, while they are nice you have already aluded to a good reason why a list done by wins doesn't always tell the story.

6) one last thought... maybe i will put out a "rough draft list" encourage feedback and debate. and then revise the list into a final draft after considering the feedback. does that make any sense?



oh, one more thing... soemtimes i have big ideas and dont quite have the time to follow through. I hope that is not the case here, but it is possible, so, if i dont follow through, dont say i didnt warn you. ;-)



I say you have a bunch of people vote on their top 25 or something and then do points (like the ncaas do) and rank them that way. Would be interesting to see how many different coaches get #1 votes. That is if enough people would be willing to rank their top coaches.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 11/05/2009
hmmm good thoughts, zee... ill think on that. yeah, i agree wins is not be all and end all. NT wins and rings are probably the key stats.

zee .. i assume you would allow the stats of aliai to be added to the main ID... right?

Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 11/05/2009
I am thinking about, just for kicks and to liven things up a bit, creating a "ranking" of coaches, kinda like blackie or others does with "dynasty lists" in each world.

Obviously, this is not soemthing to be delved into lightly. so it may take some time to develop methodology and to research things.

and obviously this is not meant to be an official "hall of fame" or anything like that. I will try my best to be objective, but im sure i will have certain biases that make my list less accurate than it could be.

But, i think if it is taken for what it is, it could be kind of a fun thing that might develop some high spirited debate.

Before i get started, ive got some questions that i would like your opinions on..., I have my own opinions, of course, and will reveal that in a day or two, but would like some feedback first.

1) should i try to make a seperate list for each world/division? or should i attempt to make a huge compilation of all coaches across all worlds?

2) should the list be the result of an objective computation of a formula? should the formula be public? or secret? either or should the list be more subjective? would you go so far as to include non-gameplay factors such as contributions to the forums? no

3) what should i do with aliases? count them as one

4) should it be an "all time" list which considers all coaches since day1 of HD and considers the entire career of every coach? or should it consider the past year? or past ten seasons? etc?

5) if i decide to do a huge "master" list, how should i deal with the fact that some coaches have 5+ teams and that helps them to compile big win totals? but at the same time many of these multi-team coaches often experiment (which can help the HD community gain knowledge soemtimes) and that may drag down thier winning percentage, how do we deal with that? you make up the formula, you decide... pretty sure win totals is a bad idea as a major criterion-- look at a guy like andrewfrance, who has only 2 teams, but has won multiple NTs at multiple levels.

6) one last thought... maybe i will put out a "rough draft list" encourage feedback and debate. and then revise the list into a final draft after considering the feedback. does that make any sense? great idea if it includes stats



oh, one more thing... soemtimes i have big ideas and dont quite have the time to follow through. I hope that is not the case here, but it is possible, so, if i dont follow through, dont say i didnt warn you. ;-) put Polo in charge...

Quote: Originally posted by wronoj on 11/05/2009so, instead of mocking the statement, i'll treat it like an argument-- do you weight wins and championships based on fullness of the level and world? is there any record of this info? isn't that the way to judge? i mean, in Naismith season 10 or so, wouldn't a d2 or d3 championship have meant more than a d1 championship?