I just picked up an IFA at the end of last season. He is older and already developed. I was wondering what you guys thought on starting him next year or giving him a year in AAA? Would he develop better in triple A? His current age is 21.

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=3408869


Projected General and fielding
current       32 36  91  79 0 20 48 47 42 59 82 
Projected  39 38 100 92 0 20 61 47 52 58 97
Pitching numbers are:
current      72 81 77 83 79 43 67 62 39 41 28
Projected 79 93 81 83 79 52 67 72 42 49 28

Not sure i consider him older but you start him at the ML level. No reason not to.

Thanks!  Think he will be a top tier pitcher? Kind of worried about the 67 first pitch 72 second pitch

The pitches aren't good, no lying about that. Usually means inconsistent.

Posted by mitchrapp on 8/8/2010 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Not sure i consider him older but you start him at the ML level. No reason not to.

Unless you care about winning long-term and managing the budget.

And here is a working link to the guy.

Posted by zbrent716 on 8/8/2010 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mitchrapp on 8/8/2010 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Not sure i consider him older but you start him at the ML level. No reason not to.

Unless you care about winning long-term and managing the budget.

Long term winning is more important than short term winning? You'll need to pay him sooner or later. With his arb. years and LT contract, you have him until 30 at least. I don't see your point.

So mitch you would give him a year to develop?

I can give you one reason not to bring him to the majors. First of all right now he is a bottom of the order starting pitcher, not worth wasting  one of his seasons now. He will almost surely hit the free agent market first chance he gets, so you can either have him now as a bottom of the order starting pitcher, or you can have him 1 extra season later in his career when he is a Cy Young quality pitcher. . Easy choice in my opinion.

If he was on my team I would give him at least 2 seasons in the minors. You want his best seasons on your team not another coaches team.

At 22 you don't go from a bottom of the rotation pitcher to Cy Young candidate in one season.

Lostpike, if he gets used and is better than someone else you have, I'd bring him up. At worse I'd wait 20 days so his arb clock ticks a year later.

And unlike Plague, I believe as long as he gets his innings, he won't improve his ratings more at the minor league level. There is no proof players do.

Posted by mitchrapp on 8/9/2010 1:12:00 AM (view original):
And unlike Plague, I believe as long as he gets his innings, he won't improve his ratings more at the minor league level. There is no proof players do.

Its not a question if the player will improve more at the major league or the minor league level, its about eating up one of his seasons on your team with a 72 overall rating instead of having him at the backend with a 85 overall rating. He will almost surely file for free agency his first available season. Why waste one of his seasons when the pitcher is not very good?

If you do call him up now, when he first leaves your team for another coach, just remember, his first couple seasons with that other coach would of been with your team if you left him in the minors the first 2 seasons instead of sucking on your team at the major league level.

Posted by mitchrapp on 8/9/2010 1:09:00 AM (view original):
At 22 you don't go from a bottom of the rotation pitcher to Cy Young candidate in one season.

Lostpike, if he gets used and is better than someone else you have, I'd bring him up. At worse I'd wait 20 days so his arb clock ticks a year later.

What the hell you talking about? He obviously won't be filing for free agency his 2nd season on the team whether you bring him up this season or 2 seasons from now.   The player will file for free agency on the backend 9 seasons from now, not in his 2nd season. That is the season he will lose  the Cy Young quality season unless you don't think he can improve that much in 9  seasons..

Let me put this in simple easy to follow examples.

Bring him up this season after 20 games. first number is age, 2nd number is overall (estimations)

21-72
22-78
23-82
24-86 (1st arb season)
25-89 (2nd arb season)
26-90 (1st season of long term contract)
27-90 (2nd season)
28-91 (3rd season)
29-91 (4th season)
30-91 (5th season)
31-Free agent making 20 mil a season with a 10 million signing bonus for someone.

Or you can do this.

21-72 (minor leagues)
22-78 (minor leagues)
23-82 (bring him up after 20 games)
24-86
25-89
26-90 (1st arb season)
27-90 (2nd arb season)
28-91 (1st season 5 year contract)
29-91 (2nd season)
30-91 (3rd season)
31-90 (4th season)
32-90 (5th season)
33- Free agent making 20 million a season with some coach

Ask yourself do you want this pitcher these 2 seasons

21-72
22-78

Or do you want him these 2 seasons.

31-90 (4th season)
32-90 (5th season)

It's obvious to me, but maybe I am doing something wrong and I need someone to point that out to me.