Bug on trades? Topic

tecwrg
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No easy answer.

Part of this is on you for making a trade so late in the season (during the WS).  That, to me, would fall under the heading of "unpredictable results".

OTOH, a trade should not be allowed to be completed if the season is going to end on the same cycle as when the trade completes.  That should be addressed by WIS.

I'd make a bit of a stink.

5/15/2012 3:24 PM
jsturgis5866
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Yup, a tricky one. Making a trade that close to the end should come under the heading, "buyer beware." I think WIS is right to stay out of it.

If it's a private world, I'd try to work it out with the commish and the other owner. If the owner is a decent guy, I'd think he'd agree to reverse it. Maybe. Tricky one.
5/15/2012 3:28 PM
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And, in a way, it *is* a bug. All worlds are shut down immediately following the last pitch of the WS, but the trade program continues to run? You'd think that anything outstanding would be nullified, or canceled, or ...
5/15/2012 3:36 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by jsturgis5866 on 5/15/2012 3:28:00 PM (view original):
Yup, a tricky one. Making a trade that close to the end should come under the heading, "buyer beware." I think WIS is right to stay out of it.

If it's a private world, I'd try to work it out with the commish and the other owner. If the owner is a decent guy, I'd think he'd agree to reverse it. Maybe. Tricky one.
If the player retired, there's no way to reverse it.  The player is gone.
5/15/2012 3:57 PM
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No trading once the WS starts seems like a simple fix. 

But, for this specific situation, it seems like user error.    Just don't agree to a trade that could complete on the same cycle as the end of the season.   I can't imagine this has happened more than once or twice in 4000 HBD seasons.
5/15/2012 4:04 PM
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I was thinking to work out a new trade through negotiation. The team with the retired player wouldn't get as much, but it would get something. And if you look at the trade, there was a pretty big imbalance, so the other owner could afford to step up a bit.
5/15/2012 4:08 PM
MikeT23
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Would you prefer he be a FA asking for 4.5m for the next 4 seasons?
5/16/2012 8:04 AM
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This is a tricky "corner case" that would probably need a lot of resources to fix.  It probably happens once a year to one person.
5/16/2012 10:48 AM
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Posted by themudhen on 5/15/2012 10:06:00 PM (view original):
Would a 70 plus overall normally retire at age 20 if he wasnt Unassigned?
See Drew Henson, Brent Brewer, Judd Granzow, or Justin Milo for a few examples.
5/16/2012 12:10 PM
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If the game isn't going to allow a trade to be completed with assignments then it should nullify them.
However, I've seen mudhen's team and I would have retired too.

Seriously, they got fantasy football games to work on...you don't really expect any fixes/improvements to HBD do you?
5/16/2012 12:37 PM
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Posted by themudhen on 5/15/2012 5:41:00 PM (view original):
Well here's the latest:
Bart,

This player was reviewed along with the code that determines a players retirement path. There is no bug and this player was not projected to have a 75 overall rating. Please remember that the value you see when viewing projected ratings is based on your advanced scouting budget and is always skewed one way or the other.

We will not make any modifications to this player and we appreciate your understanding.

Thank you.

** My advanced scouting budget was 19!***  How could this not be a bug? I appreciate everyone's feedback.  The WS was over in 4 games but it never crossed my mind that I would lose the player permanently.
You do not see everyone's projections perfectly accurately no matter how much you spend on ADV.  There is still some randomly placed innaccuracy in projections, even at $20M.  It's just that there's much more random inaccuracy at $0M than at $20M.

EDIT-- that said, it's a grey area in my mind; the "user error" was made in a context where there's no clear documentation that I know of.  It's reasonable to try to get the player restored.
5/16/2012 4:34 PM (edited)
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I think it's ridiculous that people are blaming this on the OP.

Why should I assume that I would lose the prospect to retirement AND my traded player to the trade just because I'm near the end of the season?

The trade either should have (1) gone through with no problems or (2) been voided upon completion of the season.  

Unless anyone can point me to another HBD player with projecteds in 70s that retired at 20 without something weird going on.  Real world examples are obviously inapplicable.
5/16/2012 10:14 PM
MikeT23
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What happens if you have an unassigned player at season's end?     He becomes a FA.    In this case, he retired.

Nonetheless, you CANNOT have unassigned players when the season completes.  Everyone knows roster edit is removed the very second the WS ends.
5/17/2012 8:12 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 5/16/2012 10:14:00 PM (view original):
I think it's ridiculous that people are blaming this on the OP.

Why should I assume that I would lose the prospect to retirement AND my traded player to the trade just because I'm near the end of the season?

The trade either should have (1) gone through with no problems or (2) been voided upon completion of the season.  

Unless anyone can point me to another HBD player with projecteds in 70s that retired at 20 without something weird going on.  Real world examples are obviously inapplicable.

Something weird did go on. He was left unassigned.

5/17/2012 8:52 AM
MikeT23
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Even better, if WifS doesn't reinstate the player, he's done with HBD.  I love these threads.
5/17/2012 10:21 AM
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