Reliever vs starter prospect Topic

who would you rather have of the 2 pitchers prospects? one is reliever and the other is a starter

Player A is listed first, player B second.

Stamina: 22, 75
Durability: 69, 25
health, 68, 70
control: 96, 84
vl: 88, 77
vr: 90, 70
velocity: 89, 19
gb/fb: 80, 0(!)
p1: 85, 84
P2: 81, 84
p3: 52, 56
p4: 0, 60,
p5: 0, 52

obviously the reliever is a better pitcher, but having a starter prospect is more valuable overall... the reliever is a righty (19) and the starter is a lefty (18 yrs) and both have makeups in the low 70s. 
4/8/2015 8:03 PM
Oh man, I'd take the starter in a heartbeat. If you are in a pitchers park or at least a park with long fences (-3 to -4) you have a #2 or 3 starter. If not you have a great trade chip.

I like relievers but they are a dime a dozen. You can get a guy like the one you listed on the free agent market.
4/8/2015 9:00 PM
If you're in an extreme pitcher's park, micromanage enough to minimize his road games AND have a big-time-range defense the SP. But that's a lot of ifs. In a ~neutral park the SP will be playing HR Derby. With very low Ks, an average defense would mean lots of runners on for those homers. That also assumes your scouting budget is high enough that the numbers are reasonably accurate. For the SP, if his splits end up 68-62 instead of 77-70 and P1-P2 at 78 instead of 84, he'd probably top out as a #5 innings eater.
4/8/2015 10:45 PM
Here is my guy that makes me think of the SP you listed.

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=5662605

If your scouts are close to accurate have a look at the prospect you could end up with. Getting this guy at 24th overall I couldn't be happier. Course I'm in Petco Park (San Diego) so it helps.
4/8/2015 11:37 PM
1) hockey-- your guy, who has a 3.15 career ERA -- that's good, but in SD in the non-DH league it's SP2-3 good, not special.  
2) bglick's SP prospect, even if he's seeing accurate projections, is a little worse than than hockey's guy, which makes him league average or just slightly better.  And he's only that if you play in a park that nearly eliminates HRs; he's not even a major leaguer in Durham or Hartford or Madison (parks that give up a ton of homers and not quite as many singles).  In New Orleans he's an SP4-5.
3)  The reliever is a true stud.  Not a ton of innings but you could get 90 without breaking a sweat, and in New Orleans (AL) he'd run a career ERA around 3 (in San Diego (NL) it would be about 2).

I'd take the reliever all day and all night.  If you would take an SP5 over a top-flight closer because it's easy to cobble together a bullpen and any major league SP s worth his weight in gold, that's fine-- but that's what you're doing if you take B over A.  I'd take A 10 times out of 10.  
4/9/2015 10:33 AM
If you're talking about a high pick, I'd look for better options at position player.    The SP will be around league average(assuming he misses his projections by 5%) and the RP just won't throw enough innings to warrant a top 15 pick.   If you're trying to work a trade(which I assume you're not because you're talking about an 18 y/o), take the RP.    You'll be able to pick up a SP equivalent at the end of FA.
4/9/2015 10:41 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/9/2015 10:41:00 AM (view original):
If you're talking about a high pick, I'd look for better options at position player.    The SP will be around league average(assuming he misses his projections by 5%) and the RP just won't throw enough innings to warrant a top 15 pick.   If you're trying to work a trade(which I assume you're not because you're talking about an 18 y/o), take the RP.    You'll be able to pick up a SP equivalent at the end of FA.
Good point-- if this were a draft question Mike's answer (c, none of the above unless you're picking about 12 or later) would be correct.  But bglick's only world is 71 games in; I can only guess these are simultaneous International prospect drops, and the reliever is worth a big chunk of prospect $$.
4/9/2015 11:01 AM
Ugh.   71 games in, I guess it would depend on where I was in the IFA money pecking order.      If I'm in the top 3, I'd wait.   Might be a waste but I'm not dropping top 3 IFA money on a 90ish inning pitcher.   If I'm lower than that, I'd probably go after him because the top 3-4 are waiting for a better option.
4/9/2015 11:14 AM
Speaking of, that should be fixed.   No way in hell should I know how much other teams can spend on an IFA. 
4/9/2015 11:15 AM
Ah. I hadn't thought of that. For the IFA market I would try to get the RP for a good price. Agree the SP is going to nab too big a price tag.
4/9/2015 11:37 AM
I think I'm in the top 2 remaining, but we've already had a stud position player go already, and a semi good position player, as well as 2 other good relievers (not as good though). I'm worried about holding money for too long as this is probably one of the last seasons I'll be able to get a good IFA and I missed out last year.... 
4/9/2015 12:41 PM
Go for broke. Go for both of them.
4/9/2015 12:49 PM
No way in hell do I pay #2 IFA money for a 90 inning pitcher with 91 games left. 

No.  Way.  In.  Hell.
4/9/2015 1:07 PM
Actually I think I'm 5th in IFA money.. not 2nd... so I guess go for him right? 
4/9/2015 2:30 PM
Yeah, at 5th, it's not likely you'll see 4 better and have the money to get one. 
4/9/2015 2:43 PM
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